Milk Crates and Turntables. A Music Discussion Podcast
Ep.150 - Celebrating 150 Episodes: Albums and Movies of 1989
What if you could relive the magic of 1989 through music and movies? Join us for the 150th episode of "Milk Crates and Turntables," where we celebrate this milestone with special guests Mark Smith and Luke Colicchio from the Music Relish Show. We traverse back to 1989, contrasting Scott's time overseas in the Philippines with Mark and Luke’s more relaxed experiences, all while diving into the standout albums and films from that unforgettable year. From personal anecdotes to playful banter, our lively discussion blends our unique memories with the era’s greatest hits, offering a nostalgic trip down memory lane.
Our celebration doesn't stop there as we reflect on past episodes, including the memorable 50th episode with Jack, and explore Mark's fascinating journey in the music industry. We delve into his days making cassettes at CPI, his passion for Devil's games, and the dynamics of music sharing. Adding to the excitement, we experiment with background music to enhance the podcast atmosphere and engage with our live chat audience, keeping things spirited with a round of 45 Poker.
The episode takes a deeper dive into the rich landscape of classic music, discussing influential artists like the O'Jays and notable tracks from Atlantic Records. We reminisce about the evolution of bands like The Cult and iconic albums from 1989 such as Rush's "Presto" and Bob Dylan's "Oh Mercy." Wrapping up with humorous stories and heartfelt reflections on sobriety, this episode offers a vibrant blend of music, movies, and memories that promise to entertain and resonate with our listeners. Don’t miss this special celebration of 150 episodes and more!
What if you could relive the magic of 1989 through music and movies? Join us for the 150th episode of "Milk Crates and Turntables," where we celebrate this milestone with special guests Mark Smith and Luke Colicchio from the Music Relish Show. We traverse back to 1989, contrasting Scott's time overseas in the Philippines with Mark and Luke’s more relaxed experiences, all while diving into the standout albums and films from that unforgettable year. From personal anecdotes to playful banter, our lively discussion blends our unique memories with the era’s greatest hits, offering a nostalgic trip down memory lane.
Our celebration doesn't stop there as we reflect on past episodes, including the memorable 50th episode with Jack, and explore Mark's fascinating journey in the music industry. We delve into his days making cassettes at CPI, his passion for Devil's games, and the dynamics of music sharing. Adding to the excitement, we experiment with background music to enhance the podcast atmosphere and engage with our live chat audience, keeping things spirited with a round of 45 Poker.
The episode takes a deeper dive into the rich landscape of classic music, discussing influential artists like the O'Jays and notable tracks from Atlantic Records. We reminisce about the evolution of bands like The Cult and iconic albums from 1989 such as Rush's "Presto" and Bob Dylan's "Oh Mercy." Wrapping up with humorous stories and heartfelt reflections on sobriety, this episode offers a vibrant blend of music, movies, and memories that promise to entertain and resonate with our listeners. Don’t miss this special celebration of 150 episodes and more!
well, here we are, episode 150 150 episodes of milk crates and turntables. Who would have thought we'd make it past 10? But we did. Uh, 150 is a lot of episodes for a podcast people Respect. And on this episode, the three of us are back together again Me and the Wrecking 2. Mark Smith and Luke Colicchio from the Music Relish Show. Find them on YouTube and on tonight. Well, we're going to be talking about the albums and the movies of 1989. See 1989, I was overseas, inilippines carrying a gun for this country, protecting the free world, while mark smith and luke lickey was smoking dope and bad mouth in this country. Maybe. Either way, we're going to be talking about albums and movies. Enjoy, enjoy. Podcast hosted by.
Speaker 3:Scott McClain. Now let's talk music. Enjoy the show.
Scott:Welcome back, my friends, to the show that never ends. I'm so glad you could attend. Come inside, come inside. Welcome to the podcast. Whoa, whoa, what was that? Got a little text during my intro. What's up, everybody. It's good to be back Two weeks. Where was I? Oh, yeah, we're streaming live right now over Facebook, youtube, x, dlive, twitch, blah, blah, blah. A lot of platforms streaming live. Yeah, it's good to be back. Last week I was on a cruise and I guess the week before we did an episode, so I guess that's two weeks ago and that episode. You know, I had an episode two weeks ago. I never aired it, I never put it out, I don't know. It's the last episode, so that's going to be a filler, but this is actually episode 150, although that one should have been. But this one is episode 150 because, well, it's live, it's not Memorex.
Lou:And speaking of Memorex, what's up, buddy?
Speaker 3:I believe, in America. America has made my fortune. Yes, yes, when you were in the Philippines. I was drinking for the government. I did my duty. I stand tall.
Scott:Well, you did a good job, buddy, you did a good job.
Speaker 3:You know who didn't do a good job back in 89?
Scott:Max.
Lou:Smith Well, you did a good job, buddy. You did a good job. You know who?
Mark:didn't do a good job back in 89?, max Hi.
Lou:What's up man, what's up, buddy? I?
Mark:didn't smoke dope. All right, I didn't smoke dope, yeah sure, okay Says you, buddy Says you.
Speaker 3:I don't trust anybody that didn't.
Scott:So there you go right, and I'm not going to say I did while I was over there.
Mark:Okay, all right. Wait, our audio listeners don't get to see that face I wasn't going to ask.
Scott:I wasn't going to ask. Don't ask, don't tell that's right. You're out of your time on that one. That's right. That's right. Don't ask, don't tell 150, huh 150. 150 episodes, dude. Wow, 100 feels like yesterday. That was the Jack episode. It was that episode 50. One of them he just fucking irked me.
Mark:Oh, that was 50.
Scott:Was it 50?
Speaker 3:that was 100 episodes ago.
Scott:Yeah, holy shit, that's crazy. Man doubled it up. That's crazy. Oh, let me see the chat. Let me see, is the chat even alive?
Speaker 3:yeah, I don't know restream messages from audience will display.
Scott:Yeah, let me see if it's even working. I don't know. Respect, oh get off that respect he's playing, there we go it's working okay, good, good, good, good, that double fucking playback. So, uh, mark, what were you doing in 1989?
Mark:uh, two years out of high school, uh, I got a job at cpi making cassettes. I thought I was in the music industry, had oatmeal every morning for breakfast, went to the middle land saw a lot of devil's games. Went to the middle land, saw a lot of devil's games. What else did I do Drove?
Lou:a lot what were you doing you?
Scott:were making cassettes.
Lou:Yeah.
Scott:What was that job? That was the.
Mark:That was the CPI job. I wasn't in mastering yet I was in the shipping department. But we were doing a lot of wax tracks, cassettes. Ministry, you worked your way up.
Lou:Yeah, look at that.
Speaker 3:He was of wax tracks, cassettes, ministry, all the way up, yeah, look at that he was a worker.
Scott:The american dream he's a hustler school of hard. How many of those did you get to keep, like, did you get to keep a copy of each one?
Mark:yeah, you can take. They were good. If you want to take a couple, did you?
Scott:did you? Did you do it, did you have? Do you have a collection of them?
Mark:and like yeah, yeah, do you, from back in the day, like that, yeah, and I kind of got carried away because when we were doing the ministry singles album you know, the one with every day is halloween, yeah, yeah, started grabbing them a lot for friends, looking like the big guy and then I got caught and you got caught. It was at the end of that, no, no, he just said hey, mark, now shelby was cool enough is enough, yeah come on were you giving them away or were you selling?
Mark:them, giving them I was too stupid to. They were for friends you know it's all profit. I will admit, when we did luther campbell's stuff I may have gotten a little capitalistic oh yeah is there?
Scott:is there a uh? What do you call it?
Mark:statute of limitations yeah yeah. Nine fucking years, and Luther was a good man.
Scott:Yeah, yeah. One of those dudes just died recently from two live crew.
Mark:Hope it wasn't Luther.
Scott:No, no, it wasn't him, it was somebody else.
Mark:Always admired how he got the rights to his own music. That's great. Yeah, he was a hustler baby.
Scott:Yeah, patty, yossi, good evening. Yeah, we're back. Hey, patty, I I don't know why. Allison good evening. Hey, sis, I don't know why, but I just always, like right now it just sounds. I always thought that there's something in the background. I don't know, like right now it sounds like everything is dead air, like I don't know why I need this need for, for something. Let's see, what do we got here?
Speaker 3:white noise or ocean soundscapes like this.
Scott:There you go that's good yeah, and just do the podcast a little background music yeah, a little little down tempo music, just a little interesting thing in the background. See, see how it goes. You know it's not intrusive, right? I don't think it's Mark. It's Mark falling asleep. His head is dropping. Mark Mark, can you breathe? What Can you breathe? He needs a trigger word.
Speaker 3:I'm here. I'm here, Afghanistan, Bananastan Mark.
Scott:Afghanistan, bananastan. What movie was that from?
Speaker 3:Mark, I keep fucking that one up. I thought it was Bananas, it's not. I can't remember Chevy Chase.
Mark:No no John Candy movie. No no Earlier.
Scott:Roy Schreider movie. It was a Roy Schreider movie.
Speaker 3:Jaws.
Scott:Nope.
Speaker 3:Oh, robert Redford movie Seven Ups.
Scott:Robert Redford. Was it Seven Ups or the Hot Rocks? No, it would be the Hot Rocks. It was Hot Rocks, I believe. No, it would be the hot rocks.
Mark:It was hot rocks, I believe. Yeah, hot rock.
Scott:Yeah, alley knows me but they were both good movies. The seven ups was a really good movie too.
Speaker 3:That was yeah, yeah big twist in that one famous scene. I haven't seen them forever oh, look at allison.
Scott:Mock's head was dipping and allison already hitting him hard with it.
Mark:It's the wine I didn't pass out on our couch in Vermont one night. No, no.
Scott:No, never, no, hey, you know what time it is. It's time to play. Oh yeah, 45 Poker. Alright, here we go. Let's start with Lou. Let's get back in action, gentlemen. All right, here we go. Let's start with Lou, let's get back in action, gentlemen.
Lou:Let's get back in the action.
Scott:Back in the game. All right, lou, here we go, lou's going to win this one.
Mark:What's that?
Scott:Lou's going to win this. I'm feeling lucky. Again, I'm feeling lucky. I reloaded. I took some of my old 45s that I replaced with patties and now I kind of mixed them up. So there's a little reload in here. Oh, okay, and I don't know if those were good or not, I don't remember they were shit, absolute shit. Here we go From. What is it? What record is this? The Sound of Philadelphia? Philadelphia International Records, right there. Nice, there you go there, there you go. Lou do you have any idea who the band might be?
Speaker 3:The Sound of Philadelphia. No, I thought that's what you said.
Scott:Is this the buttermilk and blues internet show?
Speaker 3:There's a southern expression my ass is sucking buttermilk Whenever something makes you uncomfortable. Yeah, I got to remember that. He wants to know is this the is sucking buttermilk.
Mark:Ah Jesus, that's whenever something makes you uncomfortable.
Scott:Yeah, yeah, I got to remember that for this show my brother Colin, just he wants to know is this the buttermilk and blues internet show? How about your ass sucks buttermilk. What the fuck? All right, lou, no the OJs Lou.
Speaker 3:Oh, it was the band that had the sound of Philadelphia. Yeah, who this? The OJs Lou? Oh, it was the band that had the sound of Philadelphia, yeah who?
Scott:This is the record label.
Speaker 3:Huh, wait, so the record label is called the Sound of Philadelphia.
Scott:No, the record label is Philadelphia International Records. Okay, but it's titled, as you can't really see it, the Sound of Philadelphia. That's the artist. I thought that's the artist. I thought that was the artist Up here.
Speaker 3:Maybe I don't know, but look at the 45. Didn't it have a love theme or something? It's the.
Scott:Sound of Philadelphia. I mean not the Sound of Philadelphia, philadelphia International Records, they might call it the Sound of Philadelphia, the record company itself saying they are.
Lou:The Sound of Philadelphia.
Scott:That might have come out before the song maybe the record company, who knows?
Mark:In other words, lou's got a stinker. Is there a hero?
Scott:No, lou's starting off strong. Oh good, fucking strong, is it?
Speaker 3:the OJs. It's the OJs. Is it Backstabbers? Nope, is it all those other hits by the OJs? I'm going blank. For the Love of Money, money, money, money.
Scott:Which in around 1987, maybe 86, 87? There was a group called the Bullet Boys. They were kind of a Van Halen rip-off. Air metal. Whatever. They got caught up. They weren't really air metal but they did a cover of For the Love of Money. It's actually pretty good.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay, Give it a listen. They actually did a pretty good job with it. Has that ever been sampled? That bass part? Because it's funky and really rubbery as hell.
Scott:It's a real great sound, yeah All right, here we go. What do we got for me? Let's pull something. Atlantic Records. Atlantic Records.
Mark:They're a little funky.
Speaker 3:Could be great or crap Could be greatness.
Scott:It could be greatness, or it could be crap.
Mark:See Debbie Gibson in your future.
Scott:Well, I'm going to go with let's see, it's got to be this one Dionne Warwick and the Spinners. And then came you, that was a. Came you, that was a hit. That was a hit, yep that was a hit and then came you. Yeah, all right, well, it's already a competitive match.
Speaker 3:That's almost a tie, I think at this.
Scott:Yeah, yeah, let's see we got two to go.
Mark:go yeah what do I slay you guys? Marky, mark, it's all over.
Scott:Let's give him some garbage.
Mark:One to reprise.
Scott:Uh-oh.
Mark:It'd be funny if it was Marky Mark and the Funk Bunch.
Scott:No no no Mark's got the Doobie Brothers. Take Me In your Arms, rock Me or Slat Key Sequel Bag. Take Me In your Arms, rock Me or Slat Key Sequel Bag. Take Me In your Arms.
Speaker 3:Take Me In your Arms and Rock Me that was a lesser hit than the other two, but that was still a decent showing. Take Me.
Scott:In your Arms and Rock.
Speaker 3:Me.
Scott:Baby, is that the?
Speaker 3:do Take Me In your Arms it's a cover in your arms and rock me baby. Is that the Doobie Brothers? It's a cover it was from the Stampede album, I think.
Mark:The last album before your guy came in, Michael McDonald.
Lou:I know that very well.
Scott:Let me see the Doobie Brothers Take Me in your Arms and Rock Me. You know who wrote it Michael McDonald. Holland Does your Holland. Yes, see the doobie brothers, take me in your arms to rock me.
Speaker 3:You know who wrote it michael mcdonald. No, holland, dozer, holland, yes, yeah just gonna say that too yeah, holland, dozer holland I know things.
Scott:Okay, that's my line that's true, I'm sorry okay, here we go bell records. Here we go again, this one go again, here we go.
Speaker 3:Yeah you, I see dark clouds on the horizon.
Scott:The only group I remember being on Bell Records is the Fifth Dimension.
Speaker 3:Please let it be like they were on.
Scott:Bell Records. So listen, there it is Bell Records, the silver label, right Dawn, featuring Tony Orlando.
Speaker 3:I've done this one before Things changed.
Scott:Yeah, really Not three times. Ah, the spark of love is kindling. Or Say has anybody seen my sweet gypsy?
Speaker 3:rose. I'll take that one.
Scott:Yeah, well. It was a hit Minor hit right.
Speaker 3:No, it was a bigger hit, than you think okay, is this a shit hit what year? Uh say, has anybody? Maybe 72, 71, 72, 73, 73, wow, yeah, 73 all right, this is where I take the lead.
Scott:Come on, come on, this is where I take the lead. Come on, this is where I take the lead. I got a good one. I can feel it. Here we go. Avco Records what the fuck, that's not a winner.
Lou:It could be.
Scott:The Stylistics. You are my everything. Good, that's not bad, no, that's good.
Speaker 3:That's a good one.
Mark:Yep, I'm in last place so far.
Speaker 3:I think Scott's good, that's a good one.
Scott:Yep, yep, my love, yep. I'm in last place so far. I think Scott's in first right now.
Lou:I think the stylistics.
Mark:just outdid Dawn, how did I go?
Speaker 3:The Archies would have outdone Dawn Anybody.
Mark:How did I go from having one bottle?
Speaker 3:of wine to two boxes of wine a show. You got the. You got the big five liter box you're drawing off of there.
Mark:No, I have like two glasses during the show and it's all. What did my brother say?
Scott:have allison and family thought of intervention from two boxes of wine a show intervention oh shit. Oh, you know, I said intervention because in 1989 my brother had oh, that is a Wow. Intervention.
Lou:Oh shit.
Scott:Oh, you know why I said intervention? Because in 1989, my brother had an intervention and that's when he went sober, Okay.
Speaker 3:All right 1989, that's great, yeah, yeah, no small coincidences there.
Scott:No, I was two years behind him. I think I did 90. 90? No 90. Yeah, the end. Did 90. 90? No 90. Yeah, the end of 90.
Speaker 3:All right, here you go, mark. Have we lost music and we have a metronome going in the background. Listen, Okay.
Scott:That's just the beat, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:I hear some wind. Namaste motherfuckers, this is like calming me down too much.
Mark:I got my crystal on me today.
Scott:It's ruining the humor, I think. Look at lou I, you gotta keep that fucking.
Speaker 3:You gotta keep it there. You like this?
Scott:background you like this, don't you? I do, I do. It looks good. You get the coffee maker in the background. It's just like my kitchen studio, yeah it's cool.
Speaker 3:Not as nice, though it's my. It's a little more version of the kitchen studio, it's nice it's homey, it's very.
Scott:It looks good, thanks, better than being in a dark fucking hostel, and I love my bangladesh I say that for music relish yeah, I do. I do that for mark mark likes gloomy, so much I was gonna say everybody, you know, uh, uh, the ai, uh, his background is dark, it loses dark, it's not even real.
Speaker 3:His His is not real. It's a projection. That's right. That's right. He's like Ted Williams. He's got his head in a cryo jar.
Scott:Here you go, Mark.
Speaker 3:Here's where he usually pops on when we do this, right yeah.
Mark:Yeah, He'll pop on. Right now he's going like this let's see Arista records.
Scott:Maybe it's Grateful Dead, melissa, manchester, midnight Blue. Is that a hit for her?
Lou:Minor.
Scott:Or I Got Eyes.
Mark:Midnight Blue. Midnight Blue. I'm in last place and I love it All right.
Scott:Mark you are going to be. This is very key for the win between me and Lou.
Speaker 3:Here's where I knock it out of the park. Huh, I knock it out of the park.
Scott:Huh, I knock it out of the park, give him garbage or you're in the fucking penalty box.
Speaker 3:Gamble records. Uh-oh, feeling lucky, feeling lucky.
Mark:The intruder. That ain't easy to do.
Speaker 3:The intruder. The intruder, uh-oh, I don't know the intruder, that ain't even a new pair of shoes.
Scott:The intruder, uh-oh. I don't know the intruder that could be really good or not.
Speaker 3:good, it could be yeah.
Mark:It's either Cowboys to Girls, fuck me or Turn the Hands of Time.
Scott:No, not the good intruder song. The intruder sang I Always Love my Mama, right yeah.
Mark:Oh, Gamble and Huff wrote this song.
Speaker 3:I'll take Cowboys to Girls, but that's I know the song. It's quite minor Cowboys to.
Scott:Girls. That's kind of apropos for today's society, isn't it?
Mark:I guess so.
Speaker 3:And you can't be a cowboy unless you ride a horse.
Scott:All right, Mark, you can't give me anything worse than that. I don't care.
Lou:I still might lose this it's my game to lose this is the win right here.
Speaker 3:This is for the win.
Mark:Dump them, mark don't mgm records oh, well, okay, okay okay, give me a mediocre fucking hit and I win.
Scott:It's the cat, it's the cow sills, cool, all right.
Mark:all right, it's either hair or what is happy, so I'm just writing cow sills. What was that?
Speaker 3:reaction it's over, it's the daddy. Give me a head with hair Long, beautiful hair Shining and gleaming.
Mark:Alright, Mark just finish yourself off RCA record Screw you, Mark Put the 45 to your head.
Scott:Mark, put the 45 to your head, you're done.
Lou:And for the people that are listening, it's not a gun. It's a really 45. Name. I won't say it.
Mark:What label? Rca. All right, it's got the little dog with the uh yeah, yep the victoria charlie pride oh never been so loved in all my life, or I call her my girl the first time he calls his girl and it was a cowboy.
Scott:Cowboys to girls. And then char Charlie Pryde says I call him my girl. See how that all works together. Brokeback mountain here and I win Yay.
Lou:There, you go.
Mark:That music is inspiring me to go.
Speaker 3:So who came in second and who came in third? Lou, you came in second. Yeah, I'm third. Yeah, I feel a little bit better. Mark was out from the beginning. Yeah, I feel a little bit better.
Scott:Mark was out from the beginning. He was never in it.
Lou:You got to be in it to win it. That wasn't it. Yours was minor.
Scott:Yeah, yeah, albums of 1989. Right, albums of 1989. Some good ones.
Mark:Yeah, I just want to remind Lou that I was two years out of high school in 1989.
Speaker 3:I was dating an older woman. Really, where'd you go?
Mark:Seven or eight years older? Were you going to the Park Ridge?
Speaker 3:Diner no, no, no, I met her at the China Club oh.
Mark:Hillsdale, hillsdale, your hometown. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Anyway, and I got into the business business which I'm doing now, really I was 28, there you go, all right, yeah, I was drinking for the government. That's why I got into this for the government yeah, uh.
Scott:In 1989 barry white put out his 17th studio album, the man Is Back. Wow, yeah, yep. That set the stage for his somewhat of a comeback in the 90s. He kind of got rediscovered, I think by a generation.
Lou:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Because he disappeared in the 80s. Yeah, there was a soul revival, you know the Motown stuff came back. That was not his bag, but yeah. R&b. I listened to the Billboard top hits. A lot of modern day R&B in there.
Scott:Yeah, he was what I think they referred to as sofista pop. Yeah, that's pretty cool. You know he was what I think they referred to as Sophista Pop. Yeah, that's pretty cool. You know, sophista Pop, that's good. Yeah, yeah, so what do you got, mark?
Mark:I got the one Phil Collins album that I really like but seriously came out that year.
Scott:Had some good songs on it. I have a copy of that unopened.
Mark:Really yeah, wow.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Mark:What songs are on that? I Wish it Would Rain Down. Something Happened on the Way to Heaven. Do you Remember Another Day in Paradise? That's Just the Way that was the hit. Yeah, with.
Speaker 3:David Crosby singing.
Mark:Yeah, that's right. Wow, but it was like yeah, it was the one with the solemn cover. He's kind of looking down.
Speaker 3:All his cover had his giant face on it.
Mark:Yeah, and now he's re-releasing them and taking the pictures recently, so it's got the older face.
Speaker 3:Is he really? Yeah, it's going to scare the children.
Scott:I think it's kind of cool, just put a fucking skull up there, because that's about what he fucking looks like. Let's put a fucking skull there looks like john deacon from queen now yeah yeah man mark mark posted a picture of john deacon like.
Speaker 3:It looks like an old cab driver. He's got the cigarette hanging out of his mouth. Yeah, yeah he looks grumpy, as fucking hell it looks, it looks irritable. Well, uh, roger taylor said he is a social psychopath.
Mark:They don't want to deal with him.
Speaker 3:I saw him in the comments. That was pretty harsh. Yeah, he made his money. The guy's 72 years old, he don't have to do shit. You know what I mean? No, he wrote a lot of great songs. Yeah, and we share a birthday.
Scott:Oh, there you go, yep, there you go.
Mark:I will say something about Phil Collins. I saw him on the tour for this album Maybe his third or fourth solo album and he already had a three-hour show at this point. So you had to want to see Phil Collins if you saw that show. Oh really he did the three-hour show and he had Lee Sklar on bass. Oh wow, there's a DVD of him. Did he have the beard back then too, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:That's his thing, yeah right.
Scott:Always did Luke give us an album from 1989.
Speaker 3:Maybe my favorite album of 1989. Kemper Von Beethoven's Key Lampi Mark. That's the one I turned you on to Yep when our old album reviews. Are we ever going to do those again? Yeah, he went on playing Cracker and they're playing around here soon. David Lauer the singer. He went on Cracker. Do you remember them? Scott?
Scott:I didn't like Cracker too much I thought they were okay.
Speaker 3:I had their first album but I didn't get anything after that. Yeah, I mean I loved, Can't Believe I'm Beethoven, so they didn't really transition into that for me.
Mark:Yeah, sorry, I'm falling asleep here.
Scott:Is it the?
Speaker 3:background music. I might say this is like the soundtrack to Asheville. I need coffee.
Mark:I'm floating, I need coffee.
Scott:Which crime family does Mr Coliconio?
Speaker 3:Coliconio. Coliconino, colon cleanse, oh my god.
Mark:Uh, colin, I'm from the genitalia crime family, better known as the bush league family. That's right. The genitalia.
Speaker 3:we got balls.
Scott:I'm just answering his question, so in 1989, after some time apart, Mr Jagger and Mr Richards got back together, yeah, and came out with Steel Wheels. Massive tour, a massive tour good record rocking a hard place.
Speaker 3:That's a good song. Yeah, yeah, yeah might have been.
Scott:It's that album's version of stop me up, I think yeah, first album without what's his name, on bass, too.
Mark:Um, um bill bill.
Scott:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so was daryl jones an immediate replacement.
Speaker 3:What's his name on base, too? Bill Bill White. Yeah, yeah, so was Daryl Jones an immediate replacement. He's always been with them, is he?
Mark:still with them, yeah.
Speaker 3:But he's not a full member. He's just a no either, steve Jordan. So he's been there forever yeah, longer than Bill, maybe.
Scott:I would think so, yeah, well, so they just hit 50 years together, right. So so 89, 99, 2009, 2019. It's 30 years. Then you go up to 20.
Lou:You know if he's still playing with them today it's 35 years or something.
Scott:Yeah, 35 years. He'll beat and he's still not an official member. Nope, they're so deep in. You can't make somebody an official member of that band. The money is too.
Mark:Yeah, it's probably not easy either. Look how long it took Ron Wood. Oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3:When did he become a? When did they open the books for Ron?
Scott:Exactly Speaking of crime families. You know that's a good question.
Speaker 3:I mean, it wasn't all that long ago, I don't think. No, it was like they cut open his finger.
Scott:Yeah, with the bass string.
Lou:Like they sliced it with the fucking bass string. I think he had a clutch for writing.
Scott:Like the assassins. With the piano wire that's right has handles on each end of the bass string, and they told him to put your finger out instead of his neck.
Speaker 3:The cheese cutter.
Scott:Yeah, the cheese cutter, that's what it was. Yeah, yeah, but do you think they pay him?
Mark:like well. Well, he became a full member, a full partner. That's key here.
Speaker 3:So we're talking about Ryan Wood, yeah in 1997, right before the Bridges to Babylon tour.
Mark:Ironically, that was the tour.
Speaker 3:You've been there 20 years.
Mark:Well, I read his autobiography and it was that tour where they said to him sober up or you're out. They scared the shit out of him.
Scott:Really Well. Lou and I were going to have that conversation with you tonight, so I'm glad you breached the subject, mark.
Speaker 3:I'm going to have a little sip of beer before I let go.
Mark:I look back at the shows. I'm not tearing my shirt off going, I don't mean long.
Speaker 3:You had a necktie on your head one night, mark, you don't remember.
Lou:You threw up, you've thrown up three times.
Scott:Yeah, why?
Speaker 3:do? You've thrown up three times?
Scott:Why do you think I didn't play that last episode? Why do you think I didn't release it? What the fuck dude he's trash in the joint now.
Mark:Yeah, the thing came out.
Speaker 3:What's with your brother today?
Scott:Scott, I don't know. He's in a fucking mood.
Lou:Does Mr Smith still have the?
Mark:same Metallica t-shirt and haircut since high school same haircut, but I never, ever had a metallica t-shirt I do have my aerosmith shirt from rock in a hard place. That's cool, and I have my zebra shirts going way back to 1986 like a zebra stripe thing like a like a new wave thing.
Speaker 3:Oh no, zebra, are you always at the band right?
Scott:dude, you're lucky you didn't go in the military, because my fucking room and my clothes got pillaged by my brothers once I left. There was no fucking mercy on that. Nothing. Your underwear too. It was every man, whatever's there, just fucking scoop it up.
Mark:Yeah.
Scott:I love it.
Mark:See, I had sisters. They didn't do that to me. No, oh wait I was the last one out. They all left before me yeah.
Speaker 3:I had older brothers too.
Scott:It's pillaged like fucking, like, like drunk Vikings.
Mark:Hey Lou, your brother broke your guitar right, that's my younger brother.
Scott:Oh okay, younger brothers will do that. All right, younger brother. Oh okay, uh, younger brothers will do that.
Mark:All right, uh, mark, yeah give me an album from 1989. Oh, it's a good one. Rush was absent for a couple years and changed their sound and went into a new phase yet again and they released presto the pass. It's one of my favorite rush albums. It still draws me into this day when I listen to it. Great, great lyrics from Pert no mystery, no science. It was all like he's talking about teen suicide. He was talking about relationships and it was a new era for them. Very good Right.
Scott:All right, Lou.
Speaker 3:I'll go with Bob Dylan. Oh Mercy, One of my favorite Bob Dylan records, Got some great songs on it. We talked about the recording process of that on Music Relish a lot. He just recorded in a house in New Orleans and just absorbed the atmosphere and made kind of a comeback record for him too. He had a little bit almost like a slumpy period for Dylan in the mid-80s. Before that A couple of not well-received albums Came back strong with O Mercy produced by Daniel Lenoir. Okay, Good stuff.
Scott:Mark, did you have Duran Duran underwear? Is that what? There's a reference up on the comments.
Mark:I had underoos. They made them for teenagers. All right, that's right. I had the Dark Knight underoos. And Voltron, that's right, I had the Dark Knight underoos.
Speaker 3:And Voltron. That was a cartoon around that time, wasn't it? I remember that. Yeah, voltron, okay.
Scott:And don't forget Biggie Smalls. Notorious BIG he references in the song Hypnotize Cool as a pair of underoos.
Scott:Cool, since I was wearing underoos yep um 1989, this band, I, I, they, they have like a it's, it's a little above a cult following, but they, just they, they. They were, they were a great rock band and they just never made it to the top. The cult came out with Sonic Temple. They were so different to everything else, they were hard to categorize, weren't they? Well, I don't think you could put them into a category because they're very psychedelic rock.
Mark:Yeah, they did. Mtv labeled them as alternative. They put them on the alternative nation. Yeah, which they weren't they weren't.
Scott:No they're there they had such a unique sound, you know.
Speaker 3:It was accessible, though they had hooks.
Scott:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:And what's the lead singer, ian Asbury, asbury, fucking, booming voice yeah, yeah, that was a voice a lot of hard rockers didn't have. Then, like in the 80s and 90s, there's a lot of high pitched yeah, like a high pitch you know, high out on with the highs out, or whatever.
Scott:He was a baritone belter he was kind of the 80s equivalent of chris cornell in in that kind of you know the way they broke and the sound, such a different sound. He had that big yeah, big voice.
Lou:Yeah, he didn't have to yell, he didn't have to scream, you know.
Scott:But Sonic Temple great, I mean, all their albums are fucking good.
Mark:Well, ironically, a couple years later, MTV would pigeonhole them into heavy metal. They put them on Headbangers.
Speaker 3:That's what I thought. That's probably when I saw their videos. I didn't think it was metal, though Okay.
Scott:Whose fault is it? Because they couldn't get a category right. So is that a product of them just being independent and having their own sound? But they pay the price for it yeah, I.
Mark:But you know, later on I think they did. The record label did get them to become harder. They became more of a typical hard rock band.
Speaker 3:There's no record company pressure. But I mean, in the 80s too, heavy metal. If it wasn't rap, it was heavy metal yeah you know they weren't, they weren't that obscure to be, I think, that much of an alternative band mtv I mean they were like they had an accessible hat like fire. You know, fire woman, that's to me, that's. That's a great hit song. You know that song belongs on the radio yeah it's been on the radio.
Scott:She sells sanctuary. You gotta they. They had a handful of great songs, but the stuff I heard wasn't so heavy as to be inaccessible or just like off.
Speaker 3:You know, it wasn't dark metal or anything like that, but I think that's why they got lumped into metal, you know you got heavy guitars too and the guitar player's image he had long, he didn't he had the billy idol.
Scott:Look back then. Yeah, he didn't let his hair grow until later. Does anyone know who the drummer is?
Mark:Ah no, no one knows Whoever knows you never really the bass player and the drummer.
Scott:They were always a bass player and a drummer. So we were going to see them at the Orpheum Theater in Boston, me and my friend Jim Hurley, and this kid's coming down the street. It's 7 o'clock at night, it's an 8.30 show or something. It's on Tremont Street in Boston. It's busy. It's just busy right by the Boston Commons.
Scott:This kid comes down the sidewalk on a skateboard. He's just deking in and out of people. I step toward him, I and I I stopped. I stepped toward him Like I psych, you know, and he jumps off his skateboard and he turns around and he goes, motherfucker, and I was like what. And he opens his jacket he's got nunchucks. Right, oh yeah, he's got nunchucks. And I said oh, oh, oh, okay. So at the time I had this black leather studded belt right and it was like a double wrap, so it had a hinge in it right, it's probably like an inch, and I take it off and I bend it and I go come on, motherfucker, you want to do something. This is in the middle of like the city, right, there's people everywhere. Kid turns around around, picks up his skateboard, starts running like no, that that's not happening. You started something, you it's gonna get finished.
Speaker 3:I think more people have hurt themselves with nut chucks than other people.
Scott:Well, he, he ended up getting them used on him.
Lou:Let's put it that way um and in the process of him getting an absolute beat down in the gutter.
Scott:Right on a side street I hear somebody go, hey, cut the fucking shit. And I turn around and it's a taxi driver and he's pointing a gun at me.
Mark:Oh wow, oh shit, he's pointing a gun at me right. Well, you were beating a little kid.
Scott:He must have thought we were like you know, we were mugging the kid. But the kid, I give him credit, he wouldn't let go of those nunchucks he had to get. He got stomped a couple times to get them out of his hand. So I stand up and I got the leather belt in one hand and the nunchucks in the other and he's pointing a gun at me. Imagine walking down the street just seeing this entire scene, right. So I look at the dude. I'm like go ahead, shoot, you can't do anything, I'm not bothering you, like you know. And he was just like motherfucker. And he gets back in the cab and just takes off. This kid gets up and runs. We takes off. This kid gets up and runs. We take the nunchucks, we throw them in the fucking sewer, you know.
Scott:and uh, poor kid lost all his money some security guard comes up, he goes. I don't know what you guys just did, but there's a lot of police cars on the way, right, yeah. So what do we do? We just duck into the crowd, go right into the theater. We cut the corner, go right into the theater like nothing ever happened. Yeah, I bet you that's the last time that dude pulled nunchucks on anybody yeah, taught him a lesson unless you're bruce lee motherfucker.
Speaker 3:Well, what about the cab driver? I mean, what did he go on to do after that? I mean, if he's gonna pull a gun on you and him. I mean at one point what?
Scott:what did he? What did he watch? When did the taxi driver come out? When did the movie?
Speaker 3:taxi driver came out right when you got into the show. How, how amped up were you. I think your adrenaline must be going a bit uh, it was.
Scott:It was slight. We were used to doing shit like that, so it was. It was more of a just let's not get arrested. That's what it was. Let's not get arrested. Let's not get arrested. That's what it was. It was, let's not get arrested.
Speaker 3:Let's just get the fuck out of here. It wasn't. Let's not get shot.
Scott:No no. And don't ask me why. I just looked at it. I just knew that he couldn't do anything.
Speaker 3:He wasn't going to do anything. Okay.
Scott:It had nothing to do with him.
Speaker 3:Like he can't.
Scott:Well, he could have just popped off, you know, and he wouldn't have any cab, uh, and then he would have gotten his cab and drove away and everyone would have ducked and I would have had a fucking bullet in me. Right, you could have been. You could have been travis bickle there. He could have exactly. So you know, like my brother calls it, just another night, uh, people, we say. You know the stories are true, there's a lot of stories.
Scott:I believe it yeah there's a lot of stories like that. Um so, anyway, where were we? Gun story if you want to bring it back to music and the concert was great, the cult was fucking great and then I saw them uh, before I went in Air Force, I started getting all these concerts in and I saw them back up Billy Idol, that was a good concert. That's pretty cool. Yeah, that was a good concert. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I like Billy Idol's drummer Later on the guy Tommy Price.
Mark:This guy was fucking good. Tommy Price was in a few other bands.
Scott:Well, Billy Idol is one of those guys. He always had somebody. He had good musicians around him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he did, Steve Stevens. Mark Tommy Price is the drummer on the Imaginose POC record.
Mark:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Scott:Not kidding, oh not kidding, that's what my brother said.
Lou:No, I thought you said you were kidding.
Scott:No, he says not kidding Mark, give us an album from 1989.
Mark:Oh yeah, I was going to actually read something about the cult, but I think we should get back to it.
Scott:Oh yeah, no, go ahead. It's the milk crates and turntables. What are we worried about? Time for.
Mark:Milk crates and relish. Stephen Thomas Erdewine from All Music said the cult formed as a goth band. That's key. Southern death cult was their original yeah, and later became a stadium filling hard rock act led by the shamanistic ian asbury. Shamanistic is good. In 1985, asbury said our music is just melodies and guitars.
Scott:We're like big country, and you too, only better wow, that big country, and you too, that's, that's wow the juxtaposition there yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was a helicopter. Uh, uh, uh, like uh mechanic in the royal air force yeah, the whole shamanistic thing.
Speaker 3:That's what made people make comparisons to him and jim morrison yeah, yeah, didn't now.
Scott:Didn't he when the Now? Didn't he when the Doors reunited? Wasn't he the one that ended up going on tour? They were auditioning people, and people wanted to be it they did the VH1 special where Robbie and the other guys sang.
Mark:They did Doors songs with all different singers. Eddie Vedder was at it and when they toured it was called. I think was it called the New Doors or something, but I believe it was Ian that toured with him.
Speaker 3:He toured with him. Yeah, after Rumors you read Rumors, like you know what a great matchup it would be, and if the Doors ever do decide to play again, he'd be a great choice to do it, yeah yeah, same well mannerisms in a sense, although he was more active than jim morrison was.
Scott:you know, that's where he put on a good show he was a good front man.
Speaker 3:He probably wasn't shit-faced active front man.
Scott:Yeah, you know didn't just stand there and sing. Morrison was a piss artist, yeah, yeah, but he knew how to do it oh yeah no one did it better than him, that's right mark give us an album all right.
Mark:So the 80s was known for the guitar noodling albums, the instrumental albums, like yngwie malmsteen. Well, this album was kind of a game changer. It was joe satriani's flying in a blue dream and it became known as a guitar album that you could play for anybody and they would like it like non-guitar aficionados would like I played it for all my friends. He's very melodic and fantastic album never got into guitar guys.
Scott:I can understand. I tried. I just could never get into guitar guys, like you know. That's why I was never a big jeff beck fan. I was never. You know, satriani, I knew who they were and I listened to. I respect them. I don't. I don't dislike them like I dislike Bob Dylan.
Mark:Satriani is like a godfather. He taught Kirk Hammett. He gave Kirk Hammett lessons, steve Vai, who I think is much better than him, and one other guy and I just can't remember off the top of my head.
Speaker 3:Who he taught.
Mark:Yeah, dweezil, dweezil, zappa.
Speaker 3:Dweezil learned from Eddie Van Halenen. I was not into the guitar player so much either. I like ellen holdsworth. Oh yeah, yeah it's, it's weird. It's weird stuff. It's kind of jazz fusion, but it's got a rock feel to it. It was definitely unusual. Eddie van halen thought the guy was a god he sounded like him.
Mark:If you ever hear scott, if you ever hear an allen holdsworth song, you'll go. That sounds like eddie van halen, yeah oh look who's on.
Scott:So I just thought about it. I was like this motherfucker hasn't popped on yet. And as soon as I thought I'm telling you I just jinxed myself. Big head Todd the Wet Sprocket. I was wondering. I'm like he was noticeably missing, which isn't. I don't think that's good. I don't think it's good that you notice when somebody's not there. That means he's actually part of something here and I don't like that.
Speaker 3:I don't like that at all.
Scott:And here he is. I'm here, entertain me now. I I've been wanting to say this for two weeks go fuck yourself. How's that? I've been waiting to say that. Todd big head, todd the wet sprocket. By the way, he recently he tried to explain that name, I think, to his wife and she was like huh what, I don't get it. He's like never mind. Never mind, lou, give us an album from 89.
Speaker 3:The Replacements, Don't Tell a Soul. That was the album that was supposed to make them a professional band and it kind of did. It was pretty much the last thing they did. Yeah, they got drunk, really drunk. The thing was they were a band. That band had the Jonah syndrome, the Jonah complex. They had a fear of success, this band. So every step of the way where they could have been something, they just blew both feet away with a cannon. This was a record that was kind of produced well, Chris Lord, Alge you know the name, Mark, yeah, yeah, he mixed it and he said he tried to get them a radio-friendly sound and they didn't like it. I think it's a good record. It's a good record, but I agree, Todd, but it's a record whereul westberg said you know, this doesn't sound like my garage demos, and that was supposed to be the idea.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd never get into them. I you know that was a band I thought I was supposed to like more than I actually did, you know. But the earlier stuff I could care less about. But this was actually a good record for them. But and it makes sense that their good record is the one that you of just fizzed out at that point.
Scott:Yeah, I just never got it. Yeah, never got it. 1989, the who was it? The Fuck, I just had the name on my. I don't know why I've been drawing blanks, my, I don't know why I've been drawing blanks lately. I don't know if that's good. You got the schmitty. I don't know if that's good. The English beat breaks up right they were ska band right. And the two guitarists break off and they start this group that had a good little run. They had a good little run. The Fine Young Cannibals, oh Right, the Raw and the Cooked came out in 89. Huge hit and she Drives Me Crazy. And Good Thing Dun dun, dun dun dun, dun dun.
Scott:Good Thing With Roland. I forget his last name singer. Uh, but they did. They had a. They had a good little run going into the 90s yeah, they're kind of like an english pop soul thing yeah yeah, they're almost like zz top.
Speaker 3:You know, they the two guitar players. The other two guys were kind of weird looking. They're like little monkey, almost like monks or something. They didn't have some kind of weird well, that was the way they moved.
Scott:Yeah, and they like so in one of the videos they had these monkey heads on, I think whatever it was, I thought they had some kind of weird like similar.
Speaker 3:Look, you know, just like a, almost like a choreograph no, they the way they moved.
Scott:They contorted their body and their legs and they just kind of were very out of beat on purpose with the way they played.
Speaker 3:With the three of them it seemed to work as a unit like that. I thought there was something kind of distinctive about it. They had a certain look about it Right, which in the 80s was extremely important when videos were king in the 80s.
Scott:Yeah, yeah. What do we got here? Hold on, hold on. What happened to my music? It kind of like crashed. What am I back on the cruise ship.
Speaker 3:Everybody mambo this is the shit you hear when you're poolside. I'm making another my time yeah.
Scott:One, two, three, four, five. Yeah, yeah, yeah, alright, let's get rid of that what do we got now the fuck is celestial. Yeah, all right, get rid of all that I'm just gonna give you, your barb, your barbed wire, humor doesn't mix well.
Mark:It's a good music, but your humor doesn't mix well with it. So I'm killing this kid with Noom Chucks and you hear, oh, Nice piano music in the background.
Speaker 3:Kind of softens the blow a little bit though.
Scott:Yeah, maybe I should add Metallica playing in the background. Yeah, ministry Mark, give me an album from 1989.
Mark:Okay, so I'm going to go with another band that you just didn't get. After Lou did it. Grateful Dead released their last album, built to Last, in this year. Hard to believe they went all that time without an album. Had Foolish Heart, which was kind of a hit, didn't do too well. I like it. I like it. I'm not gonna say any more because you're probably not listening I really, I really have nothing to say.
Mark:Yeah, I know, I have no comment on any of that I was like the one out of all my friends that bought it. They're like dude, why'd you buy the dead? And I'm like I like it because it's short pop songs. It wasn't jamming, they're better than the replacements.
Speaker 3:They're better than the replacements.
Mark:Yeah, they are, they are.
Speaker 3:But in some movies no comment on either I don't think time has remembered the replacements at all. No, it's that kind of thing.
Scott:There was supposed to be this. Wow, this thing's going to happen. I remember that there's a lot of bands that things were supposed to happen.
Speaker 3:But there's bands that were like a solo style. Look at the Knack.
Scott:Things were supposed to happen. What happened to the Knack?
Mark:I never heard of them after that first hit.
Speaker 3:There were men writing creepy, creepy, pervy lyrics.
Scott:And I think it worked for one album and that was it. Oh, second album blew all that wide open. I mean, some of that stuff was just terrible. I think when you come up with a song that's as popular as that.
Speaker 3:You'll never get there again, it's just very very very few, and when you write songs like, that's what the little girls do to you yeah, yeah and and she's sitting on your face and it hurts, yeah yeah I mean they're gonna go so far, you know yeah, uh, big head todd with sprockets is peter murphy deep right peter murphy.
Mark:I had a friend who got me into peter murphy.
Scott:He's good so, um, what was the hit off that album, todd? Was there one, I wonder? Uh, peter murphy was good, cut you up. That's one of that's one of my favorite songs ever, but that came out in like, I think, 90 91. It actually got alternative song of the year. Cut you up all right.
Mark:So the album spawns three. No, no, cuts you up, was on. It was the line between the line between the devil's teeth cat cuts you up, and a strange kind of love came off that album. Ah, ah, okay.
Scott:Cut you Up is a great song, great song, yeah, yeah. Then the two guitarists from Bauhaus went on to start what band Mark?
Mark:You always stump me on this one.
Speaker 3:Lou Erasure.
Mark:No, you said this a couple months ago.
Scott:Yeah, love and Rockets I wasn't thinking of that that band was bigger.
Speaker 3:What's that? They didn't become a bigger band, love and.
Scott:Rockets?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was just the guitar player, the bass player and then the drummer, I think. That was a real popular band though.
Scott:Yeah, they had a little moment. Love and Rockets. They had a little moment. Yeah, yeah, I don't know what color your eyes are, baby, but your hair is soft and brown. I'm alive. Oh yes, I'm alive. That's Love and Rockets, not Peter Murphy. Oh, okay, I'm alive. That's Love and Rock. It's not Peter Murphy. Oh, okay, Sorry.
Speaker 3:Who's up? Lou Oingo, boingo Skeletons in the Closet I was never a fan of them either.
Speaker 3:Really, I like the couple songs but, I've never heard of the Mystic Nights of the Oingo Boingo. Ah, this is last week's Music Relic, what it was. It was Danny Elfman's brother I think it was Kevin started a band called the Mystic Knights of the Oingo Boingo. It was like a theater troupe. They were on the gong show and won in 76. Danny Elfman took over from them and that became Oingo Boingo. He took a lot of the musicians from that and became Oingo Boingo, but they were odd. It was almost Zappa-like.
Lou:It was interesting.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was never, but I was just like you know.
Scott:Yeah, yeah, let me see, I just got to look something up here. So in 1989, john mellencamp came out with what album? The big daddy, big daddy, yeah, and let's see what there was.
Scott:It was a couple that came off, that pop singer pop song yeah, that's the beginning of his getting smaller phase yeah, yeah yeah yeah, uh, and let it all hang out was, uh, there's only, there's those pretty much the only two songs that came off that. But uh, it wasn't his most, uh, it wasn't his greatest album that's for sure no, no, but I guess what was. That was probably his seventh album at that point. Sixth album or something, maybe, more Maybe.
Speaker 3:Maybe In 89?.
Scott:Yeah, I think how many albums did he come out with in the 80s? Really, he broke with Pink Houses and Jack and Diane in like 81, didn't he? 81, 82? Scarecrow Right, the Jubilee in like 81, didn't he 81, 82? Scarecrow Right. The Jubilee album, Royal Jubilee so that's when he was John Mellencamp, right? So if you go to John Cougar and you go back into the late 70s, so I can tell you how many albums he had.
Mark:Yeah, by 89.
Lou:I'd say I'm going to say that's six.
Mark:You say six, I'll say five holy shit, he's got a long bio here. Holy shit, little bastard. Okay, 76 chestnut street incident. A biography, john, it's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, tenth album, ten.
Scott:Wow, yeah, so there was a lot of stuff in there that no one really 9th, 10th album Wow yeah, so there was a lot of stuff in there that no one really knows about.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Scott:Early John Cougar stuff.
Speaker 3:You know what it is Before.
Lou:American Fool yeah.
Mark:Yeah. You know he had the 80s, he was a pop star, and so he was on the way down from being a pop star.
Speaker 3:Telling your career. You know, become the singer songwriter guy which yeah, yeah yeah, key west intermezzo. I love that song, that's a great song yeah, very cool song that was like 97 or 96 ain't even done with the night.
Scott:That was still my favorite song by him. Yeah, that, that song is one of the songs I. I will listen to it if it's the last 15 seconds of the song. It's a good song.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, that's before it became kind of big too.
Scott:Well, that was his breakout song is John Cougar.
Speaker 3:And well he did. I Need a.
Scott:Lover. I Need a Lover that Won't Drive Me.
Speaker 3:Crazy. He did what I Need a Lover that Won't Drive Me Crazy. Did he do that before?
Scott:I think so Ain't even done with the night. I think so. I don't know, mark Mark.
Mark:Stat guy. What's that? What were you asking? Which?
Scott:song was a hit first. Ain't even done with the night or. I need a lover. I need a lover, hold on.
Speaker 3:Hold on.
Mark:Hold on, hold on.
Scott:Those are both in the John Cougar Stage, so yeah, he was John Cougar.
Speaker 3:He was managed by Tony DeVries. That was Bowie's manager. Yeah, so that's why the guy was like I'm gonna change your name.
Scott:Nobody's gonna listen to somebody named Mellencamp. That's a good point.
Mark:Not in the 80s, yeah, okay. So I Need a good point Not in the 80s, okay so I Need a Lover.
Scott:Came out in 1980. And Ain't Even Done With. The Night came out. Come on 79.
Mark:The next album, which was self-titled John Cougar no, Nothing Matters. And what If it Did? And that Ain't Even Done With the Night's on that album. So that was 81, 81. Fuck Lou, All right 80, 80,.
Scott:I'm sorry they actually sorry.
Mark:It was 79 and 80, so 79.
Scott:I should have known better than to take on Lou. Don't take on, lou, I know, I'll continue to try, though I don't do that't you?
Mark:know what my favorite album, a song, is? Remember, check it out. Check it out because in the video the girl jubilee uh yeah, lonesome jubilee, yeah. And the girl that plays the violin in that video oh really gorgeous, beautiful, beautiful girl yeah yeah, that's late 80s or 87 88 yeah, it was the one. It was the album before this album that we're talking about yeah, uh, it's up to here, right yeah yeah mr deep pocket grandpa, deep pockets.
Scott:You put his whole arm in his pocket.
Speaker 3:Deep pockets the fucking belt up under his tits in his fucking pockets grandpa deep pockets he smokes a lot after all, even after all those heart attacks, there you go, yeah uh, big head todd the wits frocket.
Scott:Um, he says uhies Doolittle. Another great album. Yep Monkey Gone to Heaven. This monkey's gone to heaven by the Pixies and Stone Roses. The Stone Roses that was on my list.
Mark:That was on my list.
Scott:Yeah, yeah, Even. Probably one of the greatest bands to come out of Manchester other than the Smiths is Oasis, and they said the Stone Roses were the greatest band to come out of.
Lou:Manchester.
Scott:Yeah, yeah. And as a matter of fact, you had. Liam Gallagher just did an album with john squire, the guitarist from stone rose oh, yeah, I recommend you listen to it. It's a good one. Good record, it's a good one yeah, it's a good one.
Speaker 3:Uh, do they both sing?
Scott:or is there a singer? No, no, no, john squire is not a singer, it's just liam he's singing. Okay, yeah, because that's what Liam does. That's what he does. Who's up?
Speaker 3:Lou. Yes, XTC. Oranges and Lemons Ah, good album. I like that record.
Mark:Garden of Earthly Delight, xtc was one of those.
Scott:Yeah, they were one of those bands. I had no problem with them. I actually Making Plans for Nigel that was part of my introduction to the whole new wave, the whole. English wave. It started with and I've said this before it started with Elvis Costello watching the detectives and I was hooked. And then Ecstasy waiting. You know we're only making plans for Nigel. I heard that and I was like wow, fucking, just the arrangement on that song is fucking great yeah, you know they're terrific musicians, absolutely they can.
Speaker 3:They can really play. And uh, actually the oranges and lemons was kind of controversial because it was almost like radio friendly yeah but the drummer from mr mister played drums on that record. They use prairie prince from the Tubes a lot but this guy had Pat Mastolato. But this guy was great.
Mark:Do you know what Pat Mastolato does now? Was he in King Crimson? Well, yeah, he started with Mr Mr. Yeah, he's a great drummer.
Speaker 3:He's terrific, but, yeah, a great record. Did you just mention Toto? No, a great record. Did you just mention Toto? No, oh, oh, you mentioned the tubes you mentioned the tubes the song Don't Fall in Love.
Scott:I think you're falling asleep on us there, scott. Don't fall in love. But don't fall in love. She's a beauty. You know who plays guitar on that? Steve Lukather. Yes, guy from Toto, yep. And then I believe you got a vocalist, the lead vocalist is the one that does uh the background on that song too.
Scott:I think yeah, oh to uh bobby kimball. I saw a thing, a little snippet. You know I love those little. I started posting them instead of hoarding them to myself. I stopped posting these little tidbits of uh of music, uh reels on on facebook and uh, dude, was like you got. If you didn't know and I know you two have told me this from day one they said people have no idea the amount of contributions that the guys from Toto had I don't know how many fucking songs and albums in the 80s.
Mark:Remember that Boz Skaggs album with Lito Shuffle.
Scott:That album. Not only did they play behind him, but they wrote it was toto and boz skaggs is the lead singer, as it was and also michael jackson thriller, they're on quite a few songs on that album too.
Speaker 3:Lucas and leaving looking up some stuff for today. He was on a couple things that came my way here. A big list of guitar players on I forgot the record but um, yeah, it was steve luke the most entertaining guy to see live.
Scott:So I, I, I, um, I, I questioned myself when I heard that. So I start thinking why didn't I like them, like? Why was I not a fan of them, right? Yeah, and I realized it was their look. Yeah, yeah, their look was like they wore the fucking vests with, you know, like the regular, like the plaid shirt and a vest with the chest, you know, the button opened, yeah, on their shirt, and they wore slacks and like they just, and I, I, I boiled it down to that. That's why I didn't watch, I didn't listen to, because, remember, so the image was everything, right.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Mark:Image in the 80s was everything and I saw them and I loved their songs, but I'm like they just don't strike me as Remember when you were in school and you had the band geeks, you had the guys that played in the band yeah, that's what Toto are and when they tried to be fashionable, it looked horrible, horrible. Right, and when they tried to be fashionable, it looked horrible, horrible. It didn't help that Jeff Beccaro was always trying to get them to wear leather and look like you know.
Scott:It wouldn't have matched their music though either. No, no, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I felt they were almost misleading, because Hold the Line was the first song I heard from them. That's one of the first songs I played drums to and it had a hard edge to it. Yeah, I played drums to and that had a hard edge to it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's a good song. And all the djs on the record on radio were saying listen to the drumming on this song because he did some unusual bass drum work was kind of bottom like. But then the next thing I heard was like rosanna, and I'm like it was, it was a pop song to me. It was too slick for me at that point. There was a good song. Yeah, I've come to appreciate things more. But then scott mark did send me years ago a video of them playing live and I'm like, oh shit, they're heavy live. It was heavy live. Actually I was really surprised. I mean it was proggy at times, but I mean I knew Jeff Porcaro, of course, but the fact that they weren't as processed as I thought they really were.
Mark:They killed their own career in a way, in a lot of ways, because they came out with that first album, then the second album, hydro, which had 99. They did what they wanted to do but it wasn't what people wanted to hear. It bombed. Then they did turn back, which really bombed. I think it sold 10 copies. So by the time four came, they were being pushed like you do something good or you're dropped so I think they were.
Speaker 3:They were supposed to be like journey to the record companies, weren't they? Yeah, yeah, they had a lead singer, but he didn't stick around forever, right?
Mark:bobby kimball was fired because of substance abuse and they, they went to a couple singers and they ended up getting joseph williams, son of john williams, star wars, and he's with them to this day. I mean, he came back, you know he's singing with them, so yeah, yeah uh, if you've never listened to the stone roses, um, great album.
Scott:Yeah, I, I want to be adored as one of my favorite songs ever. Uh, fool's gold just shows I mean the drummer I forget his name and that band was fucking fantastic and uh, she's a waterfall. It's such a great fucking album, such a great album. But uh, unfortunately it just didn't work for them. They got caught in a bad contract and that's been the demise of a lot of great bands. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, uh, todd sockman, big head, todd the wet sprocket, says b-52's cosmic thing. You know what? It was good when it came out, it was good for its time, it was fun, but I don't think it aged well I don't think yeah, yeah, I mean, what do they got?
Scott:uh, rome right I just and love shack. Talk about two songs that have just been fucking driven into the ground, and then, yeah, ran over with the fucking steamroller like love shack.
Mark:If I don't ever hear that again, you know and then they had to go fuck up rem and do shiny happy people nah, nah, that was shiny.
Scott:Happy people is right up in that category of we built this city on rock and roll.
Lou:It's pretty, you don't?
Scott:even like that song. Rem doesn't even like that.
Speaker 3:No, in fact, every once in a while we play that instrumentally at the Spiritual Center on Sundays. I have a laugh with it.
Scott:I guess you do. Yeah, I guess at that point.
Speaker 3:The one REM song I get to play is that one.
Scott:And you get to watch people, just get all happy.
Speaker 3:And I've got hand claps triggered into my kit, so you know the whole thing.
Scott:That's great yeah.
Speaker 3:But I do like that record Out of Time. A lot of RAM fans don't like that record. It's got Losing my Religion on it Another song that's been done to death.
Scott:It's a good song, though, but I haven't listened to it in a long time.
Speaker 3:I go past that one.
Mark:If you turn that album real loud on a good stereo system, listen to the bass. Because when I got a tour of Bearsville Studios in Woodstock they showed me the vocal room where a lot of R&B groups recorded. But Bill Berry wanted to record his acoustic bass in that vocal room and they did it for a few albums. You'll see an REM album and they'll have a bunch of studios and they list Bearsville. Usually it was only Bill Berry who wanted to do his bass there and it does. If you turn it loud you hear a nice sound on his bass. He wanted to do his bass there and it does. If you turn it loud you hear a nice sound on his bass.
Scott:Yeah, cool, yeah. By the way, 1989, big Head Todd the Whitsprocket was with me overseas. Yeah, carrying a gun for this country, todd, while these two were smoking dope back home, I didn't smoke dope.
Mark:I was making bets.
Speaker 3:Come on. I was drinking for the government.
Scott:Yeah, supporting Jimmy. I was drinking for the government. Yeah, supporting Jimmy Cotter and bad-mouthed Ronald Reagan.
Mark:These motherfuckers.
Scott:Michael.
Mark:Dukakis was a god.
Speaker 3:To me, michael Dukakis was a god.
Lou:The fucking tank, man, the tank man.
Mark:Can I borrow something from Jack? Think about the Democrats giving the presidency away.
Speaker 3:They wrap them in a bow and sit here, you just take it for four years. That was good.
Scott:Mark, you want to do a copyright infringement. I'm going to quote from Jack, goddamn hippies.
Mark:I'm going to quote from Jack and your brother Colin Is this a music show?
Scott:It's a show I like that Hippies, who's up, who's up, who's up, who's up who's album I am. You've been up like 17 times yeah I, I didn't like doing out, did I just do it I didn't do an album, did I?
Speaker 3:no, you haven't, you've done anything. I think todd's called more than todd's called him.
Scott:I was just repeating, todd so I'm just gonna take over this while it is my show and uh, in 89, uh, a, really, really, really good, it's our show. By the way, gentlemen, I I kid when I say that it's our I'm the host, but it's our show um the end of the innocents. What a fucking album that was, yeah, new york minute new york minutes.
Scott:Oh, that's a great song, yeah new york minute is a great song, man, great production. Yep, uh, just really got a real meaty feel Like it's an emotional. It really does. It evokes, like you just I don't know what it does, but you feel something when I hear it, you got the feel of it.
Mark:It almost goes jazz. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's very Gershwin influenced to me, yeah.
Scott:End of the Innocence, the Last Worthless Evening, new York Minute and the Heart of the Matter. Yep.
Mark:Heart of the Matter and Last Worthless Evening. If you play those songs on a guitar, they are the most atypical pop songs to play the court. Who wrote that, who was one of the writers on that, you know what.
Scott:Was it henley, it was. Was it. Was it court? Uh, corchmar, was it danny corchmar? Well, stan lynch had a little bit with that album too. That particular song, the heart of the matter, uh, mike campbell, it's not from uh mike and the mechanics from john tom petty oh, that's right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, tom petty yeah yeah, I know he did a lot on the um building the perfect beast, I think uh, yeah, yeah yeah the um new york and the innocents henley and bruce hornsby hornsby and that's bruce playing the piano on that. Yeah, right, that's right yep, uh, new york minute was so good. The eagles used to play that live. Yep.
Scott:That's right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, and you can see, glenn. Frey getting into it.
Mark:It's not his song, doesn't get played a lot on the radio, though no, no, it's too long.
Scott:It's like almost seven minutes. At this point in time people don't give a shit. I don't think anymore about length of time, especially with satellite radio.
Speaker 3:I mean there time, especially with satellite radio. I mean there's no yeah, there's no corporate.
Scott:Yeah, it's commercial free. So, yeah, they can play as long as they want, you know? All right, let's get a couple more with uh mark and then lou, and then we'll jump into some albums. These are albums I mean movies.
Mark:You scare me. Was I giving albums the whole time and you guys were talking movies?
Scott:I don't know I gotta get a brain scan, or something.
Mark:Hey, maybe because you're doing like 10 000 episodes a week.
Scott:I just did an interview today and then I just jumped right into this. So yeah, but you know what? I fucking love it you gotta do it. You have to do it when you can do it I love it, yeah uh, whoa, whoa, whoa big head todd the witch, if you promise not to use any more f-bombs.
Scott:I'll listen to you on the drive home, if not my daughter's in the car with me, and this is definitely not a g-rate. All right, all right, you know what? Out of respect for one of my dearest, greatest, greatest friends ever who, believe it or not, I haven't seen him in 30 years.
Speaker 3:But that's a true friendship. Yeah, man.
Scott:That is legitimately a true, true friendship. Yeah, we still have that crazy bond of friendship after all these years and he's been in the West Coast and I've been on the East Coast forever.
Speaker 3:And Todd's here every week, no matter how much you verbally abuse him.
Scott:Yeah, yeah. Well, he does it on purpose. When I verbally abuse him, that means he wins, because he gets under my effing skin. See that, Todd? I said effing, I didn't say the word. Is that acceptable? Can I at least get that? Can you give me that?
Mark:please Just imagine we're on FM radio. You're on a radio show.
Scott:I can't imagine that. No, I'm on satellite radio.
Speaker 3:There's no FCC rules here.
Scott:Yeah, fcc, aren't they dead yet?
Speaker 3:Is the FCC even relevant anymore? No, they still have a bunch of skeletons in a room.
Scott:Yeah, old rotary telephone. They're like the main tag repairman. Do they even need it anymore you?
Mark:know what they do. They ruin terrestrial radio, which needs all the help they can get. They rule them, you know. Yeah, they have a big poster on the wall, all yellow.
Scott:It's like being the president of Haiti.
Mark:They have a picture on the wall of Howard Stern. That's the last time they thought they had a victory.
Scott:Yeah, yeah, yeah, we got them back. Then they went after Howard Stern as much as this administration goes after Donald Trump. Imagine that 32 indictment. It doesn't matter 34.
Mark:He's still going to be president, oh Luke corrected me.
Scott:Yeah, he's still going to be president it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3:I'm a pragmatic political prognosticator and I have predictions about this.
Scott:PP. Well, we'll talk, because this isn't okay. Okay, I told my daughter the plug her ears I just wanted to see if you would agree. We're being good, I'll be good. I can be good for the next whatever, 50 minutes or something, however long.
Speaker 3:We're moving into movies anyways. Can we throw the F-bombs out, since you can't?
Scott:Exactly. You didn't say anybody else. What do we got? Two, each One each. Let's give one more of you guys. Can I do one?
Speaker 3:Unless you just want to skip movies, we can keep doing albums.
Scott:I mean, I don't care.
Speaker 3:Let's do some movies after this. Yeah, how about the Beach Boys still cruising with the smash hit Kokomo Guys? The Beach Boys are playing this Sunday in Asheville at a place called the Salvage Station. So I'm like it's a pretty big outdoor venue, but actually, um, the county of buncombe has declared eminent domain on it's on the french border river. It's a great spot. It's a great venue. My son saw a zeppelin tribute band there last month and they're going to make it part of a highway. But anyway, the beach boys are playing. It's called the beach boys with john stamos oh, so it's not any of the original.
Speaker 3:Yeah, mike michael.
Scott:I think mike love and al jardine are there they are there yeah, I think so so al jardine's still hanging on for the money yes, he is, although he's a skeleton at this point.
Speaker 3:Yeah, um, john stamos, who I share a birthday with ah well isn't that fabulous yeah, it is this great me and johnny stamos.
Scott:We were born on the same day, except I'm about 27 years older than you. No, no, but he's such a cutie that Johnny Stamos.
Speaker 3:I'm two years older than him and he looks like he's 30, actually I'm having a Greek yogurt in honor of Johnny Stamos.
Mark:You've got to put it on your face.
Scott:Me and Johnny Stamos. He's still so handsome.
Speaker 3:And it's vanilla Greek yogurt. Yes, that's the best. It is Stamos actually, I'd like to put the yogurt on.
Scott:Johnny Stamos Three snaps. Well, I'm getting carried away, getting carried away. Rock said three snaps for Johnny Stamos.
Mark:One, two three.
Speaker 3:Anyways, he's a hell of a drummer.
Scott:Anyway, he can play drums, that's true, okay, I used to watch him on general unemployed for that long. You got to learn how to do something. That's right now that dude got money. I can tell you that he gets residuals money.
Mark:Oh, yeah, yeah, that shows playing. Yeah, he admitted on uh, so I think it was on stern. He said I even get residuals from general hospital. How I don't know, because I don't repeat them.
Scott:I do have to say though I do have to say the dude is a good-looking dude, he is.
Speaker 3:He's a good-looking dude.
Scott:He's what 50-something years old.
Speaker 3:He's two years younger than me. He's 60.
Scott:So he's my age, so we're both good-looking dudes there. Good looking dudes, there you go. Absolutely. John Stamos ain't me though. No, he's not.
Speaker 3:We don't know. He's not an alpha male.
Scott:He's not an alpha male. I can tell you that None of them in.
Mark:Hollywood no. I know he's not. He's a good old fashioned beta male like me.
Lou:He has empathy.
Speaker 3:He has empathy. He has diversity. He has diarrhea. He has inclusion. Mark has diversity.
Mark:He has diarrhea. Oh, diversity, he has inclusion.
Scott:Okay, Mark, give us one more album.
Mark:I'm going to go totally pop on this one and I love this album and I was a metalhead and nobody. Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814.
Scott:What a good fucking album. Can't go wrong. That was a great album, miss Jackson. Yeah, can't go wrong that was a great Miss Jackson.
Mark:Yeah, Can't go wrong. She was cute as a button. At that era I was. I had a crush on her, you know she was battling that fat, though she was battling that fat baby so beautiful. She didn't have to, but she did because, well, it was the eighties.
Speaker 3:Michael was a hot girl, he'd look like Janet.
Scott:So now think about that, right. So, um, she popped up under his shadow, right, yeah, and had the, the talent and the ability to maintain all the pressure that was put on her. Yeah, for being michael jackson's sister it's like michael jordan's son trying to play basketball. Yeah, right, everyone's gonna compare everybody. But she carved out a niche for herself and created her own legend in that shadow, in the, the arguably the the biggest pop star in the history of the world.
Lou:She had great producers to this day she certainly did jimmy jim and uh lewis yeah, and terry lewis, terry Lewis.
Scott:They produced her up, but it doesn't matter. You can have the greatest music in the world, but you're still in the shadow, like how the fuck do you get?
Mark:out. You know what I say After Bad. Michael's music wasn't as good, but Janet Jackson's music got better. She made an incredible album. So Michael's albums got kind of like Well, and that happens to musicians and singers and rock stars and bop stars.
Scott:Yeah, age they, they eventually run out of gas. Yeah, you know, and uh, he, you can only maintain that for so long, right?
Speaker 3:and his persona at that time became off-putting that was a thing. Some people factored, but I think her videos I mean the 80s were all about videos, man.
Scott:It was.
Speaker 3:So all that choreography, the dancers, the visual spectacle.
Mark:She had a song off the Velvet Rope album and I don't remember the name of it, but it was a great pop song. It's the one where she's in Africa and there's lions walking around her. That was a great pop song. It's the one where she's like in africa and there's lions walking around her. That was a great video and that song. I'm like she wrote a great pop song, or she didn't.
Scott:Whoever wrote what's the track listing on a lot of her stuff on what uh rhythm nation uh hold on a second I forget. There's one song that I really really like by her. It's the one where she's. I'll tell you it's a black and white video yes, I know what you're talking about got the dude in one of those wheels, like the cirque de soleil wheels, okay rhythm, nation state of the world.
Mark:Uh, the knowledge. Miss you much. That's the one I like. Miss you much is good. Yeah, love will never do without you. All right, escapade, escapade escapade.
Scott:Uh, uh, you just, oh, what is it? Um? Love will never do miss you much. No, the, the song I'm talking about has love in it um, come back to me some days.
Mark:Tonight, black cat, maybe it wasn't this album it wasn't, I think it was. It was the next one um oh, the next one was a monster. That was janet. Yeah, what was it? That was an epic, that was something about love. Oh, it was like a ballad, right do you know?
Scott:she wrote a song with steve cropper. On what?
Mark:I'll do wow really that's the way love goes. You want this. That's the way love goes.
Scott:That's a great song that's a great song, yeah yeah, yeah, this album was epic.
Mark:It's just got so many different kinds of music on it, yeah yeah, let me see yeah fucking great song. Great guitar on it.
Scott:Yeah, baby.
Mark:Don't go over 15 seconds, you're going to get censored.
Scott:It's all right, I'm not making money off this show anyway.
Mark:Yeah, that's a great song. That was a long album too. It was 75 minutes long. That's when CDs were at their peak and a lot of artists would put out a 75-minute CD and it would be like maybe 40 minutes of good music. She put out quality, yeah.
Scott:They were all good. And what do they call it when they like that song right there? You have headphones on. It goes from one side to the other.
Mark:Oh, all the songs go, they flow into each other.
Scott:Yeah, like all of a sudden, it's like you know, no, like when you're listening to led zeppelin um a whole lot of love and it goes and it jumps. It feels like it goes from one ear to the other stereo panning uh yeah, they did some stereo panning in that song.
Scott:That's cool. Yeah, uh, all right, let's jump movies. Yeah movies, uh movies. I'll start off with batman. Batman made the the the michael keaton that, that was a monster. What are you doing? Look, you're trying to get your light right yeah, I'm good boy, that changed everything.
Speaker 3:Look it completely, it's he's concerned about you.
Mark:Is this something you couldn't see?
Speaker 3:that you just need nighttime. Nighttime is falling. I'm getting a weird glare over here.
Scott:Oh, okay, all right. Uh, yeah, batman, with uh, michael keaton Nicholson, you know the the messenger.
Speaker 3:This town needs an enema, that's a great line.
Lou:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You can use that a lot in your life too.
Mark:Who did the music to it?
Scott:You can play a lot of things. There's this job, there's people.
Speaker 3:That's right. I thought the music part, that was the whole middle part at the museum. I thought that did drag the movie weird yeah that was unnecessary, it was a flaw.
Mark:Yeah, yeah, I think I think the second batman was a better movie, although I love oh man, that's my favorite batman of the time.
Speaker 3:That, yeah, it was good, yeah well, I think michelle pfeiffer made a call to be, even if not one of the best, if not the best, cat woman yeah, yeah, michelle pfea, um, the, the actress with uh, she doesn't have an, uh an ass.
Scott:She has a lower back with a crack in it. Like, does she really? Yeah, they had to pad those, they had to pad the. Uh had the cat suit. Yeah, she really didn't have much going on that it was lower back with a crack in it.
Scott:That's. That's. That's michelle fifer. Yeah, she has a shovel butt. Yeah, she, it looks like she's. That's michelle pfeiffer. Yeah, she has a shovel butt. Yeah, she, it looks like she just walked off the set of scarface when she was you know, um, but they padded the the the cat suit for her. But she did a great job. She did a great job. Yeah. What is your favorite batman movie of all time? All of them. What is your favorite Batman movie of all time?
Mark:All of them. Well, I got to go by phases because I did love the recent ones.
Scott:You know all of them. What's his name?
Mark:The director. You know who I mean.
Speaker 3:They were all great. Christopher Nolan, christopher Nolan.
Mark:Yeah, I loved him With Christian Bale, so you like the James Bond Batman. But I will say that in that original era the second one with Danny DeVito and Christopher Walken my favorite of that era it was darker. I know that that cost Tim Burton his job because he made it a little too dark, but I loved it. It was a good movie. There's nothing happy about Batman. It's supposed to be dark.
Scott:The problem was they tried to squeeze too many villains into the movies at once. Yeah, then they got carried away with the Riddler and Mr Freeze and Poison Ivy. They just tried to get it all in.
Mark:And also it was getting the biggest star to play Batman. That was a merry-go-round Too many Val Kilmer. Val Kilmer as Batman, come on.
Scott:He did an adequate job. They all did an adequate job, george Clooney.
Mark:I didn't like him as Batman. I thought it was George Clooney, it wasn't Batman.
Scott:Right, that's probably he had that reputation, you know.
Speaker 3:Do you like the Ben?
Scott:Affleck Batman.
Speaker 3:No, I thought he could have been really good. They didn't give him a chance. If they'd come out of the shoot, give him his own movie before making him murderous Batman versus Superman, which basically was a wrestling match If they'd given him his own movie With bad CGI, by the way. Yeah, it was, but the Dark Knight graphic novel. He was old, he was 55. He was an alcoholic.
Lou:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I heard Superman. You can relate to that, you know. Yeah, yeah, but I thought he could have been good, but you know he didn't have a chance. One of my my favorite has been it changes, though is um the dark knight rises. I love the bane character I thought he was great. You know, I mean he's got some weird the way he got.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I thought it was strong connery I I could tell everyone I could make out every word he said. Some people said they couldn't make out his dialogue but I got every word. But um, yeah, I thought it was. The scope was interesting. I thought the way he died at the end was pretty like anticlimactic, though yeah, they could, they didn't follow up.
Scott:They didn't do that well, it was just kind of he's dead, he's dead like that was that, right after menacing, he's almost like thanos in the avengers.
Speaker 3:Like throughout the whole movie, the guy's menacing and he's winning yeah you know, then he's gone you know, it's just yeah it was a flow, but I just enjoy the movie so much yeah it changes though I like the new one, though I like the uh, the batman the batman is my favorite batman movie.
Scott:I think it's great. I think colin far great. Colin Farrell as the Penguin is fantastic. Oh my, they're coming out with a series on HBO.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. I thought it was a great take on the character and you wouldn't know it was him.
Scott:No, no, and I just thought and we've discussed this and I've said this on the show I'm thinking they went back to the absolute roots of Batman. That's why I said the Christian Bale, that's the James Bond Batman. He had everything. He could just create shit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he had Q. Morgan Freeman was his. Who was the weapons person? Was that Q?
Scott:Yeah, yeah, and the Batman. He had a raw Batmobile and it was dark like it's supposed to be and it's gritty and he was a detective like he's supposed to be, exactly exactly. And he got involved and I was very, very skeptical about that kid playing him Pattinson.
Speaker 3:I was too, I was too.
Scott:I heard bad things while they were filming it, that he wasn't working out and he wasn't as intense, and they really had to get on him to up the intensity.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Scott:But I'm hoping that they do another one, because now Warner Brothers is all up in the air now about who's running the studio. Nolan is there and Christopher Nolan. He's saying, oh, I'm going to get rid of all the other stuff, we're starting fresh and the fans are there.
Mark:It's all the politics of the studios, and I hate that.
Scott:Well, christopher Nolan has carte blanche, so he's like we're just going to wipe out everything and we're going to start fresh. People are like whoa, you don't really.
Speaker 3:He's like we're just going to wipe out everything and we're going to start fresh.
Scott:People are like whoa you don't really Don't fuck with some of that work, though, yeah, it was a good movie. It was a really really good movie.
Speaker 3:It was a big success. I think it's up there with the best of them. I really do.
Scott:Very seldom will I watch a movie twice within a certain period of time and I watch that and I will watch it again.
Mark:yeah, so uh I think I didn't want to see it. I haven't seen it because I'm so really after nolan, there's not.
Scott:I can't no, you gotta watch it, I watch.
Mark:You have to watch this, yeah okay, what, uh, what do you know what streaming service hbo? It's on max, okay it was on.
Speaker 3:It was on netflix yeah, okay, you got a poll. Was it paul dano playing the riddler? I mean it's, it's a scary character, the guy's totally unhinged but really well played. Um, very more realistic. You know, you know the penguin, you know the the uh, tim burton ones, you know they were, it's that era, so they're almost trying to copy the burgess meredith type kind of, given the times, that was very appropriate yeah, but you know like I said, the Penguin is a real character. He's a real human being.
Mark:Tim Burton was trying to straddle the comic stuff from the TV series.
Scott:It was in the darkness he knew he had to cover both. And he's always over the top. Everything is exaggerated with him. I do like the scene, though, with Danny DeVito he eats the fish and it's all black.
Lou:Yeah.
Speaker 3:He was great. Now, do you think on the Batman and Robin movie? Do you think they padded their asses for the suits like they did, Catwoman? Oh, I don't know.
Scott:Because that whole intro, the cod pieces were a little.
Speaker 3:They focused on their crotches.
Scott:Yeah, the cod pieces were a little over the top for that.
Speaker 3:But if you like the TV series series, there's elements of it that are. I thought mr freeze was kind of funny. The jokes are stupid, but I I think arnold schwarzenegger is the best part of the movie. He you know what I got the statue.
Scott:I have all the statues from those, uh, the kid that played robin. We never heard from him again.
Speaker 3:I think it killed us, yeah, we never got from him again chris o'donnell.
Scott:Yeah, yeah, so I have, uh, chris o'donnell. I got the um. Who do I have? I have the the um. What's his name? George clooney, uh, batman. I have the arnold mr freeze. Boomer thurman, poison ivy. Uh, I have the alicia silverstone, batgirl.
Mark:Okay okay, did you buy those in the werner brothers store? I did so. I've got poison ivy and I got batman, but I don't know which batman I have. I went when they were going out of business that was a great store to to shop in oh yeah, that's where uh right behind me, right down here canine.
Scott:Uh, right there you can see he's he's uh, uh, martin the martians, marvin the martians, dog canine, yeah, okay, uh. So that actually I have the whole. I have superman, wonder woman's, I get all those statues. So that actually creates a uh, they're called a crossover collectible. So not only are they superhero statues that you can't get anymore, right yeah, but they're warner brother collectibles also yeah, that became its own thing, these collectibles from warner brothers. Yeah, I used to go there, dude, birthday, christmas, father's day my, my family, exactly what to get me.
Mark:I didn't want to go in the disney store. I had no interest. It was warner brothers. Yeah, are you okay? Is there a leaky roof?
Scott:no, no, I'm looking up. I have a limited edition uh shazam statue that I got oh, wow from from them. Yeah, it's pretty fucking cool.
Speaker 3:It's pretty cool yeah, and superman was henry cavill, a good superman.
Scott:Yeah, Henry Cavill.
Speaker 3:He's a good Superman. I thought he was too yeah.
Scott:They just don't like his politics. They didn't know. They really didn't like the way that he like the Witcher. He hated doing the fucking Witcher after a while because he was a Witcher fan and they absolutely broke it with wokeness, and that's. I'm not being political here. They absolutely broke that show with wokeness and he I'm not being political here. They absolutely broke that show with wokeness and he was like this is nothing like the witcher. He goes we're not even on, on, on point anymore. It's going so far.
Speaker 3:It wasn't his politics, it was just his fact. He wanted to remain pure to the story.
Scott:And they hate that, because what hollywood started doing was they hire, and they literally did this for for this, the star wars, the acolyte, this disaster that's out there right now.
Scott:That's a new one, right they hired people that don't have any knowledge of star wars and the witcher they hired. They didn't want people that knew the origin stories of witcher, they wanted writers to come in and create their own world. Well, you can't do that shit with these big uh ips. You know these, these, these intellectual properties like the witcher that has a huge following from the books, the whole thing in the same as star wars. So they literally hired writers because they wanted to create their own thing.
Mark:It's, it's a gen Also, as far as Star Wars, the minute George Lucas sold over to Disney I was like I'm not dissing Disney, but you knew they were going to take it over. You knew they were going to take it over, tell the story they wanted to tell. They fucked up.
Scott:the good film, the greatest the greatest absolute greatest music, I mean movie franchise in history is dead.
Mark:What I cursed. I dropped the F-bomb.
Scott:That's all right.
Mark:What Well, we promised we wouldn't. I'm sorry.
Scott:Oh no, don't worry about it, he's fine. He's probably not even watching, though.
Mark:But I promised him.
Scott:I feel bad. Yeah, they took the greatest movie franchise in the history of movies Star Wars. It was untouchable. Nothing came close. Maybe Indiana Jones came close but not that close. It was a distant second.
Speaker 3:Star Wars was a generational thing and it's not even relevant anymore.
Scott:I saw the first three. What's that? Star Wars, yeah yeah, those were the best three.
Speaker 3:Those were the best three.
Mark:Actually those were the second three, because the second three were actually the first three.
Scott:Well, if you're going to go in chronological order, it doesn't make sense if you try to watch them in order, by the way, because the technology of the movies you know what?
Mark:Lucas did an okay job. I watched it.
Scott:But if you watch them in chronological order, then you're going to see these movies that were made in the 90s, as opposed to these movies that were made in the 70s. And the whole thing.
Mark:It's not there's no continuity to it. He redid the 70s ones, he redid the 70s ones, he redid some scenes. They also took scenes out. They also altered scenes.
Scott:I saw a whole thing on that. When they would do these re-releases something always got changed.
Mark:He can't help it. He's always got to change something. Yeah, in that way, maybe it's good that he has his hands off it now. God's dead.
Scott:It's dead, Anyways it really is.
Speaker 3:Are the reviews in for the acolyte?
Mark:I heard good things about it, but it could be young people that are watching it.
Scott:They're trying to spin it like that, but it's dead.
Mark:I've talked to people that liked it, but these are really people in their 20s. They don't know the Star Wars legacy like we do.
Scott:Yeah, Go on YouTube and watch NerdRotic Yellow Flash. These are pop star wars legacy, like we do, you know. Yeah, go on youtube and watch like nerdotic yellow flash. These guys, these are pop culture, like uh, not critics, but uh, pod youtubers yeah and they will. They'll tell you it's because they are hardcore fans and so if they're trying to get a generation of of people to get on, get in, get on board with them now that it's not working. They're not, you know well it's not getting blown out the door. The ratings are horrible.
Speaker 3:Do you think the young people are trying to claim something for themselves?
Mark:because yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 3:We were young when star wars came out and as much as I like to go back and look, you know is it, are they looking to just have something they can call their?
Scott:own that's. I can't do it like that, because I know back then we we were, we had the movie theater that was it the movie theater?
Speaker 3:there was no hbo at that point there was no.
Scott:Even if it was, these movies weren't on hbo until years later not everybody and then you know, we had vhs when it got released on vhs and we'll watch today. These kids aren't watching. They might scan it or they might, because there's too many other things going on but you know it's.
Mark:It's maddening to me, and this is where I realize it's not going to be old man. I have talked to young people that will tell me well, the original star wars were good, but this is what you did wrong. No, we didn't do anything that lucas didn't do anything wrong. It was a great fairy tale. We loved it, you know.
Scott:So, like disney, I think they own it, you know like disney, star wars was generational, so you, so we went as kids. Then I did this. I had my kids. We sat down and we watched the Star Wars movies, we watched the old Disney movies and then they loved it and then they started watching it. But what happened is, along the way, technology got in the way and kids just started drifting away from these things.
Mark:And you know something, Scott.
Scott:And then ideas get put out there and it's wrong.
Mark:It's this and I will say this too with disney and a bunch of others. When they went from real animation to the computer animation, I think they lost a lot of heart and soul. Those old cartoon movies were so good, even like the dumb ones, like land before time, there was something there. But once they went over to computer generated animation, I can't watch a lot of these new cartoons. They're just too slick.
Scott:There's there's nothing heartfelt in it to me, yeah, but I can tell you about star wars is they went out of their way to say the force is female. They had t-shirts kathleen kennedy and they're all, all these women, these, you know, woman-centriccentric, all the leaders that they put the bosses. Leslie Hedlund she's the head of this disaster, the Acolyte, and they forced it down our throats and the fans. That's why they call them the fandom menace. That's what they're called the fandom menace.
Scott:It's the true fans of Star Wars that are like we're not, we're not, we're not buying it you're coming in and trying to say that now the acolyte. The big twist is that the force is a black female. She's the ultimate force. Well, jesus was black. I mean, you know, did you really just compare a black female in star wars to jesus?
Mark:well, it is a controversial show, I mean no, what did you? Think of the mandalorian, did you like that?
Scott:the mandalorian was ruined when they fucking had all different color. You know, uh, fucking scooters like what? What is this? Power ranges are you fucking?
Mark:shitting me, I didn't see. I like the mandalorian, I really like the mandalorian.
Speaker 3:I watched the first. I watched the first two.
Scott:I didn't see the first once they got rid of uh uh, gina, gina, yeah gina carano she was, that she was one of the best characters in the whole show and they just like oh they, you know that was the whole kathleen, the beginning of her downfall in the in in pop culture. Uh, is she just? They fired her through Twitter. They didn't like what she said and it started a big deal and it all boomeranged back because the Mandalorian's dead.
Speaker 3:Are they doing a fourth season? I don't think so.
Mark:Never say never with Disney.
Speaker 3:How about James Bond?
Scott:Look, you got people bailing on disney, plus, left and right, millions of people are dropping their subscriptions. That says it all. I got mine yeah, and the x amount, millions that are still hanging around, but they're not.
Speaker 3:They're losing money that's why they have to kind of get with the whole thing. I'm hanging out for the new Daredevil series. But, I did watch, you know. They did redid the Beatles' Let it Be.
Mark:Yeah, daredevil's going to be a woman, the new Daredevil? No, it's not.
Scott:What about James Bond? The Daredevil that was on Netflix right when they gave the IP to Netflix and said here, make your own series, you just rent the daredevil character from us, you lease it from us if you haven't watched it, that is. That is probably the best superhero show that I've ever seen on tv it might be scott.
Speaker 3:I agree.
Scott:I think it was fantastic but they don't have it on netflix anymore no, no, it's on.
Speaker 3:It's on disney plus but it's on disney plus in the marvel timeline but, with the new series. What they did, you know they put him in the she-hulk series and they they they fucked them, they cucked them.
Scott:Well, they made him walk the walk of shame. They did the walk of shame, knock him down.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and the costume. I watched it with my son because he didn't see it. We watched it last night.
Scott:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And he goes. What's with the costume? I said they're trying to go back to the early days, but they tried to make him a funny romantic lead. He's fucking dead now. Well, you know, it's funny the scene where he's walking.
Scott:So, scott, Did you really watch?
Speaker 3:She-Hulk. Did you, I did, and I thought the sexual politics were a little one side. But the thing is Mark and he hooks up with She-Hulk.
Scott:Horrible.
Speaker 3:CGI. They show him after yeah, it was After. They show him. He's walking in his Daredevil costume holding his boots.
Scott:Yeah, he's throwing the walk of shame.
Speaker 3:Because he hooks up with her and she doesn't even give him a ride home.
Scott:Yeah, it's like we'll show the patri patriarchy.
Speaker 3:We'll show them so. So what happens?
Scott:and we're gonna cuckold, you know, uh, uh, daredevil yeah, but but it didn't work because?
Speaker 3:uh, so when they started filming the new series, daredevil born again it's a heavy plot, it's really heavy and they they fired. They were gonna make them this, you know, happy-go-lucky romantic lead and they fucked it up. So they reworked the whole tv series where they're going back to the original netflix. He's a dark character but it's going to be darker and grittier because they almost, they almost went too far is it the same actor?
Speaker 3:it's charlie cox. Yeah, okay, yeah. But what they did? They decided they fired the whole, all the writers and all the directors, because they realized they went to a very wrong direction.
Scott:Yeah like they did with the acolyte and the mandalorian, all of it I'll watch the acolyte and I'll give you my review.
Speaker 3:I I will. I will too, yeah, but it's funny because I I can't trust mark's review, so I'm gonna have to go and lose. So last week at the spiritual center I was talking to a woman and I said I said, did you watch the, the second part of the dune, part two? I saw the first. I enjoyed it very much. I haven't seen the second myself. Well, she goes. I'm not going to watch it because men are making these movies too violent.
Scott:So there you go, buddy.
Speaker 3:There you go. So what I said? I said, well, it follows the book. The book is about a jihad, it's a war, and in war there is violence. And, by the way, the first, because I like the first Dune, david lynch, when I said there was violence in that too, yeah, then got a knife stuck in his neck but was it a white liberal female? Right, yeah, yeah, she is yeah, there you go. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie to you but I'll tell you my experience.
Mark:If we're gonna go aside, I find that people are conservative and churchgoers tend to abort violence too she's not conservative.
Speaker 3:She's not a conservative it's a very liberal.
Mark:It's a very liberal conservatives and they thought that get smart was too, too violent, I mean so if you're looking at like the christian coalition type people, yeah, I think it's a recent development, because she liked the first there's dune part when she liked them, you know it was a recent ideology there's violence.
Speaker 3:There's violence in both parts, but for some reason there's there's a new, maybe because I'm saying be cool or be cast out.
Scott:I will never be, I'll never be cool.
Mark:The first one was done more biblical. I know the first one. I felt like I was watching a biblical movie. It's very tied in. It almost mirrors many religions' Bibles.
Speaker 3:Violence is gratuitous now. That's the whole thing, but it's not just it's always been gratuitous, but I'm saying this as a Democrat man. You know the new.
Scott:Which I'm very disappointed in you, Lou.
Speaker 3:You know who? I am Scott. No, you know what buddy? I'll honestly say this I am Scott, no you know what, buddy?
Scott:I'll honestly say this my friend, you never tip your hand. No, no, you have lately on Facebook, you've tipped your hand a little bit.
Speaker 3:Yes, I have.
Scott:So I'm going to officially welcome you to the shit show, lou, that's fine, I'm in it, beta male.
Mark:Lou.
Speaker 3:But if I see I'm not a beta male.
Scott:I'm a sigma male welcome to the club.
Speaker 3:Lou, I'm saying this in fairness, because you know she was. I'm saying I noticed a lot of the new, and this is something my sister, who is an arch liberal in california, said I was mentioning some of these gender battles. I'm saying this as a single man too. Yeah, um, she goes. All these new female superheroes all they're doing is killing men. You know and I'm seeing the new supergirl all she did was go and kill men. So it's like it's it's on both sides. Everyone's doing the same fucking. Sorry, keep the headphones on, but it's like if I see hypocrisy, I'm gonna call it where I see it but why is it all of a sudden they're killing men.
Scott:Like what is this? It wasn't like men were killing women, all the time but now there's such a.
Scott:We're going to show the patriarchy. Now, everything is. There's some of that. Every white male in a Marvel movie for the last seven movies has been treated like an idiot. They're portrayed as idiots. They're always cucked, they're always like lower and get talked down to and get shit on and it's like they go out of their way to do that and I, I go all the way back. They, they, they, uh. Gender swap some great characters, like in black widow, like the arch enemy, the uh, I forget the the big reveal it's a girl. You can't do that.
Mark:But they did. I wouldn't even call that a liberal thing. That is a totally different side.
Scott:That's an ideology. It's an ideology.
Speaker 3:I disagree, Mark. I do think that is something. I live in Asheville.
Lou:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I live in one of the most liberal cities in America. It's a big town, it's not?
Mark:even a city.
Speaker 3:I think it's a pandering thing I really do.
Scott:However, look back it's virtue signaling. It's pandering.
Speaker 3:I see this as a newfound arch-conservative. I'm so conservative now it hurts.
Mark:Listen to me on this one. People get all up in arms about the way things are going. I say everything's a cycle. Is this gonna end? And we're gonna. I think that movies are gonna go back to the 70s style. It's gonna happen.
Lou:I had said this three years ago, blow back, I said there's gonna be these, hopefully, hopefully it will trust these you know renegade directors that are just not gonna play.
Scott:Play the game because and I've said this before the Academy now to get an Academy Award for Best Picture, you have about 15 blocks that you have to check to get even nominated. We're talking about what the fuck?
Mark:does that have to do with?
Scott:a good movie.
Mark:So what we need in music did had a great revolution of musicians that said fuck f the grammys, I don't care, and you got a lot of good music because they didn't check the boxes to get a grammy. You're going to start getting directors to say f the f the grammys, uh f the, uh the the oscars, and you're going to get good movie making.
Speaker 3:Just get it time it'll come like a renegade cinema, you know that I have to sit back.
Scott:Who was a music guy, a movie guy, a tv guy? I, I, I love pop culture, everything out there, fucking cereals. I love all that pulp, pop culture stuff, and I don't have to just sit back and go oh okay, um watch it.
Mark:If you don't like it, you know. Just I don't watch it, I certainly don't watch it.
Scott:I have. They will not get my money, but I'm not alone either, but I don't have. I don't sit back and say I'm just gonna let it pass.
Mark:No, they're stealing my, my history, my, my, my childhood I got really mad when when I saw when I went to see the first Disney Star Wars movie JJ Abrams and I thought he ruined it because he had all the big quick zooms. It was like a TV movie, and I got really mad. I said they ruined Star Wars and I thought about it. I said what can I do about it? I just chose not to watch it. I don't like any of really the new Star.
Scott:Wars.
Lou:You see what they did to Star Trek?
Speaker 3:What do you mean? What Star Trek? It's a musical now, isn't it?
Scott:It has no, there's no coming back Star Trek and Doctor who. So you look at these I like that I've never seen Doctor who.
Speaker 3:I like it.
Scott:These are absolute top shelf pop culture. Iconic TV shows, Absolutely iconic tv shows, absolutely iconic tv shows. I wouldn't call them into the dirt.
Mark:Huh, I said I wouldn't call dr who top shelf. It was always glorious iconic tv shows in history but not top shelf. It was kind of like b grade and that's what I like about it, but that's what people loved about it, yeah, and I was what made it so good.
Scott:It was campy. Yeah, when I used to watch it with me and my brother, mark god rest his soul, we'd watch it. It was on pbs and it was campy, but it was fun. It was good storylines it was great.
Speaker 3:What's that? What years were that? 70s it was. I know it's been on forever.
Scott:I've never seen an episode yeah, yeah, um, the 70s, but they took it and they absolutely, in the last 10 years, absolutely tore it apart. They went after the origin of doctor who.
Mark:They changed the whole huh, I like the last 10 years. I've been watching it and I really like it well, that that's.
Scott:That's the difference between you and me. You like to watch something get destroyed, that's good, and I don't. I don't. You have no problem watching the Doctor be a gay black man. You know that's okay. But why is that necessary?
Mark:Well, yeah, there's people that said why was the original Doctor who necessary? We liked it. I liked the original.
Scott:Doctor who, the original Doctor who, had a great storyline. He was the original doctor who necessary. We liked it. I like the original, the original doctor, who had a great storyline. He was the doctor, he was the he, he moved through time, he was.
Mark:But they. You know what I like about the newer ones. They do explain the origins a little more.
Scott:They never really took the origins away and they made the origin of doctor who an orphan black female. They went beyond. See, that's the problem.
Mark:You let it happen I don't, I don't like, it doesn't bother me. I just look at it and I say, okay, it is what it is.
Scott:I have this great way now I guess I'm just more of an intelligent tv watcher. Let me throw something in this.
Speaker 3:So with with james bond you know the coals, either have someone of color play james bond, or a woman. You can't. Albert broccoli, his daughter, produced the movies and she said james, james bond will always be a man. Yes, she was saying all they need to do is create interesting characters for women. If they can't, if they can't write interesting because to me it seemed and you know I said I'm not uptight about it, but I'm almost an observer it seems covetous. Yeah, like to like to have to change something.
Scott:So the gender swapping, I mean so the gender swapping in the race swapping? Why can't you create?
Speaker 3:a good work with nick fury, I mean that kind of thing. But I think you know there's I I'm saying to say if you go on tiktok, there's a war going on, it's it, there's a, it's a battle of the sexes going on.
Mark:It always has been going on and probably always will, and so when I heard idris elba was a possibility for james bond I can't, I can't hike by myself anymore, you know why just know, but why why?
Speaker 3:because there's this thing on tiktok and I let me let me preface by saying I like to hike around here. It's more you evidently like to watch tiktok too, so well you know, I started because I have an 18 year old son and when he started having some issues about things, I'm like what the fuck is going on here?
Speaker 3:and it's it's, it's terrible it's get off it well, you know, the thing is it but, but there's, but there's so much shit going on there anyway. So I've been hiking by myself recently a lot, I do well anyway, and I'm getting dirty looks from from women, like this weird vibe, and I'm minding my own business. So there's this thing on tiktok and it's going, it's viral. It's saying would you choose the bear or the man?
Speaker 3:yeah, yeah would you rather go hiking with a? Would you rather meet a bear in the woods or a man? You know the bear is going to kill you, but you don't know what the man's going to do yeah all these white women, all these white. They're very uptight women, white, but the thing is it's blown out of proportion. So I'm like, well, where do I get a lightweight bear costume so I can go hiking?
Lou:I enjoy it.
Speaker 3:This is where I go, for this is part of my therapy.
Mark:I go for I tell you, there's times when I send you guys the pictures where I'm hiking on the cliff and I actually feel guilty because a woman will pass me and I'll be like so why the fuck do you accept that? I can't. What am I going to do?
Scott:Talk to her, then she's really good, no no, I don't know, but that doesn't make you anything. You have to alter the way you feel They've gotten to you. That doesn't have anything to do with movies, but they broke you. They broke you as a human being. They broke because you just admitted it, my friend. You said I feel weird. Why? Because they made you think you have to feel weird Because you bought into it, scott.
Speaker 3:You shouldn't pass another person and I can't think of anyone around here that's been abducted in the woods and you shouldn't have to feel weird about passing another person, exactly. So what I do? I just go rah. You might as well give them what they want the bear, I've got my costume, I got my pika nika basket and I just go and mark can be boo-boo hiking chicks are already suspect. Like what mark flint?
Scott:and listen. Mark flint. Stay out of this, don't? Idris elba? James bond is a white male.
Mark:He could be a black English man.
Scott:People just accept that. Why does Idris Elba have to be James Bond? He's black. James Bond is not a black man.
Mark:The books don't say he's a black man. Actually, the books never specify a race.
Speaker 3:You know, who he is. We know who he is.
Scott:Don't try to psychoanalyze it and break it down.
Mark:It's what you think, it's what's in your mind.
Speaker 3:It's a fact.
Scott:Nick Fury. Was the casting of Samuel L Jackson bad or good? It wasn't correct, but he did a good job for a little while.
Speaker 3:For a little while. He just got thrown in the garbage. Yeah, secret Wars sucked, yeah, and I wouldn't even watch that.
Scott:It was terrible while, for a little while. Oh he just, he just got thrown in the garbage. Yeah, secret wars, yeah, yeah, and I wouldn't even watch that it was terrible.
Speaker 3:I I got, I started watching, I watched a couple, so this is really bad but nick fury.
Scott:Now, nick fury is a very b c character in that big universe. He's not a major player in that, in that world they they propped him up to be, but he's not personality came through for that character.
Speaker 3:I thought yeah, well, that's, that's what he does in every movie he's the black kevin costner. Yeah he talks better.
Scott:He speaks better he's the same person in every movie. He's Jules. Yeah, he's Jules, other than in what was the Quentin Tarantino movie about the cowboy? Oh, django, django. Yeah, he's a different cat there. Is he in that? Or in Black Snake Moan? Well, he's got the same character in that too.
Speaker 3:Is he in Django Unchained he? Played the house, the house slave I, I, I started watching it and it somebody said it got weird with jango's a crazy movie. You know why? I got about a half. I got about half of the german german guys. Yeah, he's great.
Mark:Well, he won an oscar for that but um the scene that got me as a hockey coach. I didn't tell you a goddamn thing that got me in that movie was when the guys were killing each other in his living room and they're just staring at him fight to death. That scene got.
Scott:That was rough but so you get one of the greatest directors ever, arguably Quentin Tarantino. Nobody was like him who said I'm not making another movie in Hollywood. I just can't do it.
Speaker 3:I think he's got one more to do right.
Scott:No, they won't let him.
Speaker 3:He can't be himself without he'll get attacked. He's not going to do a 10th movie, no he said I'm done making movies in Hollywood.
Mark:Scott, I feel something changes.
Speaker 3:Those are his words, not mine.
Mark:Lou, he went going to make he went out on a hit, though. He's going to make another movie and Oasis are going to reform to do a song in the movie.
Scott:That's really telling you know what we're about at two hours.
Speaker 3:Penalty box.
Lou:You're lucky.
Scott:I didn't want to reach for the penalty box. No, I love it.
Lou:I didn't know you guys were such geeks like me with movies.
Mark:This is great, I love it.
Speaker 3:My thing is that I think my reaction to this, or my experience of living where I'm living and going when I'm going, I had someone tell me I can't say something. It worked the other day. It was not vulgar and I said, yes, I can.
Scott:You're not, if you're not a liberal Lou no, actually I, I know you are. You're exactly what my brother called me, what you're a tip o'neill liberal, and those liberals are gone well, I know, I call myself an fdr democrat actually.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know what.
Scott:You have no place in their world they have no no real, they have no use for you.
Speaker 3:No, they don't don't. Why don't you just? Kind of move over and let them go and stop trying to hang on. Scott's absolutely right, but I'm not that conservative. I'm conservative about some things.
Scott:You don't have to be an ultra-conservative.
Mark:I'm conservative about things, but you know what? Scott's got a good point because John McCain, if he was alive, would have no role in the Republican Party now, either Ronald Reagan wouldn't, either He'd be going totally to the left or the right.
Mark:And what is Lou? You're in a totally leftist area. You should see Pearl River now. It's crazy I mean, it's nuts, you know. And it's true, it's the extremes of each side. So you know, I had no problem with the Republicans. I like John McCain. He. I had no problem with the Republicans, I liked John McCain. He would not be re -elected nowadays.
Scott:John McCain was a prisoner of war and he was made fun of for that. He was a prisoner of war.
Mark:That was his badge. That was his badge. He was a pretty good leader.
Scott:He was okay, he got things done. If he was that good, he would have got elected.
Speaker 3:He walked away from the Keating banking scandal.
Scott:Don't hype John McCain because Trump said I don't support losers. He said he was a loser because he got.
Speaker 3:It's not hyping him in reaction to what Trump said. He did have a sense of honor. I think he learned from his. I wouldn't vote for him. I wouldn't either because I don't support his vision. I think he learned from his gay. He got caught. I wouldn't vote. I wouldn't vote for him. I wouldn't either because I don't support his vision.
Mark:I respected him, you know.
Scott:Well, we just crossed over from. We had a great movie talk going for a minute.
Mark:Okay, one more movie Weekend at Bernie's. We never went to this we haven't gotten to this area before.
Speaker 3:It was good. I have no problem with it. It was good. It's all free speech and we're friends, man. That's the way it is, yeah yeah, it's not.
Scott:You know, Mark doesn't bother me. I don't think he's a total fucking douche asshole liberal piece of Weenie. I don't think any of that.
Mark:A beta male Scott.
Speaker 3:I'm part of a lost party. I really don't think that. What's a political anachronism?
Scott:I'm not going to say Lou just took a step down on the pedestal. I had him on.
Speaker 3:I'm not going to say that I'm not worried of your pedestal.
Lou:I'm not going to say Lou's on second level now.
Scott:I'm not going to say that I'm not a flea in your traveling flea circus, Mr McClain.
Mark:Oh I fell off the pedestal.
Scott:Yeah, we're at two hours. I don't know if we're going to get meat I think we went out. This was a very, very interesting discussion Once again.
Mark:I did a lot of research for nothing. Scott Ewing.
Scott:Mark Flynn loves jumping on bandwagons. By the way, In case you didn't know.
Speaker 3:What does he mean by JFK getting Democrats with a new magnet?
Mark:He's kind of right. He's right. A lot of people that voted for Obama became those kind of people too.
Scott:A lot of people changed, like me, and came over to the other side too. I'll never come over to that.
Speaker 3:I walked away. I'm waiting for Ralph Nader to run again.
Lou:Where's Ralph Nader to run again the Green.
Speaker 3:Party right and Kennedy's for paranoid liberals and paranoid conservatives.
Scott:He definitely has a weird following.
Mark:I used to love Kennedy, I used to love the guy and he's just totally one of them.
Scott:Well, let's get off this, let's stick to, alright, let's go on to one movie.
Speaker 3:Let's go on to one movie I had a very good point there I'm gonna say Spike Lee's first major feature film Do the Right Thing, great movie.
Mark:Mark give me one more. I'm gonna go with the worst James Bond movie, but I still enjoyed it. License to Kill Timothy Dalton. It took place in Miami and that was it. You have to go around the world. That was my yeah. But it was like to me, it took place in miami and that was it why you have to go around the world.
Speaker 3:That was my problem but it was good, it was good. Ian fleming said he was the closest, uh yeah, to what he had in his mind for jane and roger moore was the second closest.
Mark:Really surprised sean connery was. He said roger moore was a pussy.
Scott:I'm sorry he said uh, sean connery was the furthest from what he intended. I love those Roger Moore movies. Those are my first ones. They were sleazy.
Speaker 3:I worked with a James Bond fanatic. This guy was a freak Almost too much and he goes. Roger Moore was a pussy.
Scott:If you look back at the time, they were great. Those are some great movies Live and Let Die. Has there been a?
Speaker 3:bad Bond. I like George Lazenby, I thought he was great. Kelly Savalas, he was great Blofeld. Was there a bad Bond?
Mark:I think to me Personally, licensed to Kill was my least favorite. Actually, no, Some of the Pierce Brosnans were pretty bad, were they bad?
Scott:They were kind of hanging on with those. But the last Bond, other than the last movie that he did, which I'll never watch, but the ones leading up to it. No, I'm just going to say it. The ones leading up to that were the best Bond movies ever. I think they were realistic.
Speaker 3:The first two were Daniel Craig, you mean.
Scott:Oh man Three.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was Casino.
Scott:Royale, then it was Quantum of Solace.
Lou:Yeah.
Scott:Quantum of Solace, and then the third one before this disaster.
Mark:I cried like a baby on the last one, dad, I cried Well, I'm not going to cry because I'm not going to watch it, I'm going to pay the bill.
Lou:I literally teared up.
Scott:Mark is just owning this tonight, isn't?
Speaker 3:he, why did you die? Why did you cry?
Mark:Did he die?
Scott:Because it was just done very powerfully the way they did it. And why do you kill James Bond? Why do you do that? Did they kill him?
Speaker 3:Did he die, yeah, but then they put at the end that.
Mark:James Bond won't be back.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they kill him. Do you see him die?
Scott:He's on an island, he can't get off.
Mark:There's missiles coming. Scott lou has a point. You never know. He could have jumped down like a hole in the ground or something well, daniel craig ain't doing it anymore he's getting too old. But mark I, I agree. I think that I grew up on the strong, I mean the uh roger moore ones. I love the strong country, but I think daniel Daniel Craig was my favorite too.
Scott:Since Casino Royale. When I first saw Casino Royale the Daniel Craig one I saw it in the movie theater and never in my adult life and honestly and I'm a movie guy I never got to the edge of my seat and leaned forward to watch a scene like I did on that opening scene yes that was insane.
Scott:That chase on foot and then on the motorcycle and then the. That was the greatest james bond scene in the history of bond movies. I literally was on the. I was leaning forward on the front of. I never got sucked in like that in my life to anything. That was a fucking amazing. I was just after that I was like I am hooked that's it.
Mark:You knew. When you saw that, you said they finally got the effects that they needed.
Scott:When he got the shit kicked out of him and they put the you know the whole fight in the Miami airport bathroom and then they have him. They torture him with the fucking the ball. He's sitting on the like. You never saw James Bond get that. No, it was always like Lohfeld, I'm going to get away, you know type thing. You never saw James Bond take a beating. You never saw him get tortured. You never saw him break Like. These were some real James Bond movies and that's what I loved about them and he just had that fucking cool. I had the huge Daniel Craig man crush Him and Tom Brady.
Speaker 3:Absolute man crush. So is Rosie O'Donnell going to be the new James Bond? I hope so.
Mark:I'd love it. I'm James Bond. I'm James.
Lou:Bond, I'm James Bond.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Scott:Roseanne Barr maybe. All right, gentlemen, Listen, I like this this is a weird show.
Mark:I like this whole format, I think maybe I think it came out because Scott was exhausted.
Scott:I could tell at the start of the show you were exhausted. No, I really wasn't, I was very mellow today, like coming into this. Usually I'm like kind of getting, but I was just like I'm just going to be chill about it and just come on, I think it's the music. I think it's the music. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 3:I think it's the music.
Scott:I like the little music in the background. It's like truth serum. Subconsciously it keeps things kind of light.
Lou:Because if that music wasn't on, I would have snapped like a fucking animal on Mark 15 minutes ago.
Scott:I'm good at that I would have snapped at him like a bear trap on a rabbit.
Mark:And Mark Flynn, daniel Craig, right Road to Perdition. Great movie, yeah, that was a great movie.
Scott:He did another movie where him and the dude that played Ray Donovan.
Mark:He was totally naked fighting somebody.
Scott:I don't know, but I have a story kind of like that, but I'll tell that next episode.
Mark:This is where he's in the bathroom and he's fighting a guy that's supposed to kill him, and they're two guys totally naked.
Scott:It was a sick movie, it really was you sure that wasn't a porno that Lou's father took him to when he was 12? I forgot how many there were. Alright, listen everybody. Gentlemen, as usual, thank you for your time, thank you for your knowledge and, most of all, thank you for your friendship. I truly, truly, I appreciate that above all you guys are always. I mean, you just elevated this whole. I could never have this episode with Jack no, it was back on your pedestal alright, lose back on I I figured him, I was very honest, not as bad
Scott:as I started to think he was no, so lose back on his pedestal it was actually a closet conservative.
Mark:He just doesn't know it yet anyway, oh lou, you're going to the chain, oh lou uh, patty ozzy says thanks, great show guys.
Scott:Have a good night, see you next week. Yes, you will Todd my brother, todd Zockman, who was over there with Mark Flynn. We were all over there together. We were carrying guns for this country while you guys were over here smoking dope and bad mucking the flag. I did not smoke dope Dukakis 89, 88.
Speaker 3:Dukakis 88.
Scott:And, as I always say, thank you for watching, thank you for listening. If you like it, share it. If you didn't like it, well, thanks for watching for two hours and eight minutes. We'll be back next week and, as I always say, you people out there, you listeners, you viewers, you are the engine that runs this machine. Without you, it would just be me talking to these two guys, and that's always good. And don't pick on them. And to end it all, as I always say, doing this show for you, to quote my favorite artist Morrissey, the pleasure, the privilege is mine and we will be back next week, maybe with more movie talk, more politics.
Lou:Well, we'll be back.