Milk Crates and Turntables. A Music Discussion Podcast
Milk Crates and Turntables is a Music Discussion Podcast. Each week Scott chooses a different music topic and discuss and debate the good, the bad and the ugly side of that particular topic. Maybe you'll agree or maybe you'll disagree. Listen in and find out.
Milk Crates and Turntables. A Music Discussion Podcast
Ep. 168 - Talking Ticket Prices, Super Bowl Halftime Show, Lost Hits And More
Ever wondered if rap artists can rock a stage as dynamically as legendary bands like U2? With a blend of humor and thoughtful analysis, Jack Calabrese and I tackle this hot debate, sparked by Kendrick Lamar’s much-anticipated Super Bowl halftime show. We swap stories about live performances, from the days of Prince’s iconic shows to the cutting-edge use of AI and holograms in concerts today. Our chat meanders through musical landscapes, comparing the bombastic flair of rock with the rhythmic allure of rap—proving that while styles may differ, the passion for live music remains universal.
As we journey through the music industry’s ever-evolving scene, we reflect on how titans like Madonna and Neil Young have weathered the storm of digital disruption. Higher concert ticket prices, legal squabbles, and the authenticity of music biopics all feed into our lively conversation. Jack and I reminisce about the good old days of working in record stores and the nostalgia-laden playlists that filled our ears back then. With anecdotes about lost hits and one-hit wonders, we paint a picture of a musical era both cherished and complex.
Our exploration of musical memories wouldn’t be complete without a nod to family connections, as we share how introducing our kids to diverse genres created bonds that transcend generations. From the culinary delights of a Publix Italian sub to the sweltering heat of Live Aid, our conversation flows with the ease of old friends reminiscing about the past. Join us for a heartfelt and humorous journey, as we wrap up with an amusing tale involving Don McLean and leave you eagerly anticipating Jack’s next appearance.
Well, here we are, episode 166. Yeah, baby, welcome to 2025. And on this episode, jack is back, Starting the year off. Right, jack, my boy, jack Calabrese, the man the mouth, the not a legend my brother in microphones. Yeah, we're going to be talking about lost hits, songs that provoke memories, all sorts of good stuff, and I'm sure Jack's going to wax poetic about something at one point in time or another. It's inevitable, so sit back, relax and enjoy Jack.
Speaker 2:And me, of course, because well it's all about me when I first met you baby Five, four, three, two, one zero. All engines running Lift off. We have a look out. The KOFB Studio presents Milk Rates and Turntables, a music discussion podcast hosted by Scott McClain. Now let's talk music. Enjoy the show.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Mesdames, messieurs, le disjockey s'achète de retour.
Speaker 1:Public service.
Speaker 2:announcement Après le succès imprévu du titre it's my Life. Il dit merci à tous les autres disjockeys pour leur coopération fantastique.
Speaker 1:That was a public service announcement and I agree with everything that fine young lady just said with everything that fine young lady just said, and I think I'll have a public service announcement before every show in the future, because it just delays Jack coming on. I'm really taking my time bringing this guy on. I'm really taking my time bringing this guy on and I know he hates electronic dance music so I thought I'd keep this going a little more.
Speaker 2:The girl has a lot to say, no.
Speaker 1:I'm calling for. Yeah, you know, I love my techno, my EDM, the one and only Jack Calabrese. There he is, he's on.
Speaker 4:You can hear his fucking microphone rumbling through the it's all right, it's right there, it's just right there, just relax just right there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's get the comment, by the way.
Speaker 4:By the way, who who said that I hate electronic dance music?
Speaker 1:that's not true at all well, steven romano just commented and said everyone hates electronic dance because that means you no, that does not mean, that means you steven romano does not lie steven romano does not lie, but he's wrong about me disliking electronic dance music.
Speaker 4:I happen to like electronic dance music very, very much. I don't think so. What do you mean? You don't think so.
Speaker 1:I don't. I've never heard you talk about it. I've never heard you even reference it. I've never heard it on any of your playlists or any music we've ever talked about. You have never, ever mentioned anything. Oh, the closest you come is calling me Cynthia Lauper. You laugh at EDM.
Speaker 4:I do not laugh at EDM. I like EDM, but look, one of my favorite favorite songs of all time is, as Days Go by, by, dirty Vegas. Remember that one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dirty Vegas. Yeah, so you are a. How can? I put it hey, hey, fair weather as Mark Smith would call it, a fair weather fan.
Speaker 4:That is not true. That is absolutely not true.
Speaker 1:What was that like 1994? I just love that song.
Speaker 4:Are you starting already?
Speaker 2:Well.
Speaker 1:I'm starting like I just told Jack right before this, I literally fucking left Miami. I had a conference down there and I left Miami at 4 o'clock and I got in my fucking door at 6.45. That's fuck. It takes me three and a half hours to get to St Augustine, Two and a half hours to come up from miami. It's 51 miles, you know I also the orange bowl is tonight, so I hit that truck. It's still fuck, miami anyway I feel better.
Speaker 4:how many you know you're? You're a guy that's retired. Yeah, how often do you have to deal with commuting and traffic? I mean, come on.
Speaker 1:But when I do, I do it big.
Speaker 4:Yes, you do. Evidently you haven't lived there in decades and you complain about the traffic coming in and out of Winthrop.
Speaker 1:Well, that is a fucking problem.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, but it's not a problem for you look at see steven romano stirring it up.
Speaker 1:Because we're on your side, jack. In other words, we are, in other words, he, he even know he's, he's backing you. That you don't like, edm that's not true.
Speaker 4:I I do not dislike edm, I do not. I dislike ed. That's no good for anybody. How fucking old are you? How old are?
Speaker 1:you really. It was a joke, jesus, all right let me uh, here we go, there we go. So how you doing, how's it going this week? Good, good, good, good, good, good, good. What's the latest and the greatest?
Speaker 4:Hey, you know, just getting the year started. You know, just paint my ass off. What are you eating? What is that? An Italian sub? Let me see it. It's big, it's thick, Is that only half of it? Yeah?
Speaker 3:Atta boy.
Speaker 1:Public supermarkets makes With the bread. Look at the bread.
Speaker 4:It's crunchy. Can you actually get a decent Italian sub down there? No public.
Speaker 1:They do it right. Man Pub subs are gone. Each supermarket has their own sub shop. How does it differ man Pub subs? They're gone. They Supermoney has their own sub shop.
Speaker 4:How does it differ, if at all, with the subs that you get up in New England or, in particular, in Massachusetts?
Speaker 1:Well, it does. I mean you get good subs up there, right. The thing is down here it's hard to find good. You know the food that we grew up with, right? But when you do, you know it, and this roll is crunchy. It's got the little seeds on it. You know what I mean. It has a soft inside, little crunchy exterior, and they pack the meat in there.
Speaker 4:Walk me through the ingredients. What's on that sub All right.
Speaker 1:So it's got ham, ham, it's got spicy capicola, it's got prosciutto. No, no, it's got the mortadella, it's got provolone, it's got. I put some tomato, banana, peppers, some pickles, onions.
Speaker 4:Are the pickles and onions sliced or diced? It's like dill pickles, right that's no good.
Speaker 1:It is, it's good. No, it's no good and the onions are sliced. It's not diced, it's got to be diced?
Speaker 4:No, they don't. Yeah, they's no good. And the onions are sliced. It's not diced, it's got to be diced. No, they don't. Yeah, they do no. I'm so glad that you saved your eating your sandwich for the air. That's great.
Speaker 1:I told you, I just walked in the fucking door. I'm starving, fucking these conferences. It's at this fucking Brazilian steakhouse where they come around the radigio, but the conference was fucking running behind. I literally got two pieces of meat because they got to do it with everybody. I'm like what the fuck? Oh.
Speaker 2:I'm hungry.
Speaker 4:You eat your sub there, little boy.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to. So we're going to do what we did last week. We're going to pick up where we left off. I got a lot of good feedback from these lost hits. You know, and just basically, you know, talking about them a little bit.
Speaker 4:Well, before we get into that, I mean, shouldn't we just kind of like talk about what's going on in, you know, the music world right now, or do you want to stay on your sub?
Speaker 1:Well, I'm listening, I'm all in buddy. You know, I'm all in, and I got iced coffee too.
Speaker 4:Nice. So, hey, a lot of talk and I know you're not a huge fan and we kind of talked about it last week, but will you actually go see the Dylan movie?
Speaker 1:well, that's. That's an interesting question. I'm really considering it and which is funny, because, number one, you know I'm not a huge fan. But number two, I don't dislike Bob Dylan. I I'm just not a fan. I respect his body work, I respect what he did, I'm just not a fan. I think he's overrated in the music department. He has a lot of great good songs with great lyrics and he has some fucking stupid songs too. Wait, wait, wait. What are his stupid songs? The King, his number one stupid song is everybody must get stoned. Come on, that's a fucking idiot song.
Speaker 4:Zero intelligence to write that fucking song yeah, yeah, but I mean you gotta, you gotta consider the time you know. So when did he write that 64?
Speaker 1:uh actually 66, but it's fucking a no-brainer song. It's as intelligent as do you like pina coladas and walks in the rain like fucking stupid shit. And then he goes and writes something like Tangled Up in Blue Fucking brilliant, absolutely brilliant that story. He's good at telling that story, but I actually am considering going to see that movie. I haven't shunned it.
Speaker 4:So you refer to Everybody Must Get Stoned. You do know the actual name of that tune, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's the something song. What is it?
Speaker 4:Rainy Day Woman, 12 and 35.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which really makes no fucking sense. But I want to get to this comment. Steven romano just said you're not going to believe this, scott. I hate movies, I hate movies. I can hear him saying it right now. I always fall asleep. I went inside. I thought it was incredible. I recommend it. See that. Fall, fall asleep.
Speaker 4:See, steve Romano knows what.
Speaker 1:Don't sleep on him. He knows his shit about music.
Speaker 4:I know he does, he always has when we first started this podcast.
Speaker 1:He would call me up. He'd call me up and he'd say stuff like You're dragging it on too much, you talk too much about it, like he was literally like producing the fucking show. This is what you need to do. Okay, okay, steve, but he knows the shit. He's well, he's a musicologist, he's a neil young, basically historian.
Speaker 2:Freak yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he knows Neil Young backwards and forwards. Yeah, neil Young, one of the best concerts I ever went to and by far the worst concert I ever went to Explain. So you know, I've seen him a handful of times, not as many as Steve has probably had the opportunity to see him. But Neil Young is like Van Morrison or even Bob Dylan you just never fucking know what he's going to play. He can go in any direction. So the first time I saw him he actually played with Crazy Horse and did all of the great things that you wanted to have him do Played acoustic, played with the band. Hey, hey, my, my Needle in the Damage done, you know everything that you would want to hear.
Speaker 4:And then the next time I saw him I actually trekked down to what was Great Woods in Mansfield, Massachusetts at the time, and it was when Neil Young was going through that period where he did the shocking pinks in the reactor, where he was doing the electronic not electronic dance music, mind you.
Speaker 4:That's right, and he played one song that people knew he did after the gold rush, I think, to just appease the the crowd, but the rest of it was all his new techno and, you know, shocking pink shite. It was a terrible, terrible long like come on, give us a little something, mix it in, sprinkle it in, will you? So in will you.
Speaker 1:So let me ask you this First of all, dave Phillips, king of the 45s, welcome to the show. So let me ask you that these artists they know why three-quarters of the fans are there. They know why they're there and they're there to hear the songs they want to hear. Now, morrissey is infamous for this. Although he does, it's almost a guarantee. You're gonna get three Smith songs you just don't know which ones in a show, but for the most part plays its own shit and a lot of people go because they think he's going to be a Smith's oldies act, which is what he actually said he'll never be. So what do you think of artists like that show? Neil Young, robert Plant, like. I know somebody that went to see him and he was with Alison Cross and didn't do one Led Zeppelin song, like not even mention of it. So you know why you're going to see Robert Plant for the most part. Maybe you or I look differently, but the majority of the fans right, see, ooh.
Speaker 2:Robert.
Speaker 1:Plant. What do you think of that? That they go and they just don't even dip their toes in what the fans want?
Speaker 4:I think we have empowered a lot of artists to kind of take advantage of it. Look, let's use Neil Young as an example. Totally made up, hypothetical situation, right, but you got Neil Young that's going to go out and he's going to play a good mix of Buffalo, springfield, csn and Y, his own solo stuff, uh, the crazy horse stuff and whatnot. Hey, you know, go nuts and advertise it as such. I think that if you're going to go out and you're going to do something experimental, to kind of stay within your artistic vision, um, and that's what it is, you know people blame. Oh, I'm an artist, right? I'm not a troubadour, right, I'm not a monkey up on stage that, you know, takes requests, I'm not a human jukebox.
Speaker 4:Well, you know what you kind of are you kind of are in that situation. You kind of are. You know, especially in this day and age where you know they're charging three and four and 500. Can you imagine going to see Neil Young and spending you know, $300 for a ticket and he doesn't play anything? You know, you know this. This gotta be some balance there, right.
Speaker 1:Pearl Jam coming to the hard rock in Hollywood, Florida. Are you going to go? I looked at tickets For the fucking balcony $700.
Speaker 4:The people at Ticketmaster should be locked up, and it's not just the people at Ticketmaster, right? Obviously, pearl Jam, to a certain extent, and any other act, has got to be complicit in all this. So here's the question that I have for you, scott McClain aside from the fact that ham does not belong on an italian sub spicy ham, you can call it whatever fucking ham you want unless it's prosciutto, it doesn't belong on that fucking sub. Okay, I want you to, in front of all these people, pull the hand off the ham, off of that, no so what's the request?
Speaker 1:what do you want to know?
Speaker 4:um shit, I forget what I was gonna say jesus, you need to start drinking.
Speaker 1:I'm drinking water. Steven romano said he saw. Let me see what was he. Where is this comment? It's pretty funny, he said when you were talking about the digital. Oh, wait a minute, they played Mr Saul digital, I was tripping. I thought it was because I was tripping.
Speaker 4:That show.
Speaker 4:If we're talking, tripping that's that show, if we're talking about the same show, that show was horrendously bad and, in all fairness, that was back when the ticket was probably, you know, $22. But, uh, you know, you know. Look, look, look at the people that paid to see Madonna last year. All right, so you know. Look look at the people that paid to see Madonna last year. All right, so you know. First off, you get what's coming to you, right, but you know people paying four or five, six, eight hundred, over a thousand dollars.
Speaker 4:And she played snippets of some of her songs, start and stopped. Some of them went on three hours late and did new arrangements of it. People left. They were fucking bullshit. You got to remember. You got to remember that part of the music business is business. Right, there's a commerce aspect to it. People want to be entertained. They don't give a shit about Well, let's put it this way Most people that are listening to the podcast right now and most casual music listeners when was the last time they actually bought a neil young record? When was the last madonna record that that they bought?
Speaker 1:they want to hear the old stuff yeah yeah and she's not appealing to new crowds so.
Speaker 4:So here's, here's the excuse that you actually get from, uh, you know some of these artists. They're they're overcharging or what they feel is that they're appropriately charging for concert tickets because they can't make any money writing songs and selling albums anymore. You know, with the digital platform, people aren't buying, you know, albums. I know vinyl has had a little bit of a resurgence, but nobody's buying CDs, cassettes and nobody's buying albums in large bulk anymore. Right, so you don't have the revenue coming in. And you know, if you looked at what Donald Fagan from Steely Dan makes on, every time Steely Dan has played on Spotify, it's pennies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so while you were talking, let me see if this cuts over. Are you there? It's not working. Here we go. Are you there, steven, I'm here.
Speaker 3:What's up? Can you hear me? I can hear you.
Speaker 2:Scott yeah.
Speaker 1:Can Jack hear me? He can hear you. Yeah, I can't hear him. Can you hear me? He can hear you? Yeah, all right, I can't hear him. Can you hear me, jack, I can hear you. He said yes. Okay, that concert you're referring to, neil Young had to go out on tour and do a show like that so he could win his lawsuit against a record company because they sued him for not making neil young music
Speaker 4:so he went. Yeah, but yeah, but uh, david geffen, you know, recruited him, paid him a shitload of money. Hold on, just wanted to let you know that little tip there all right.
Speaker 1:Thanks for the thanks for calling in buddy and it was the reactor tour.
Speaker 3:It was the craziest thing I was tripping. Neil young came out wearing a white suit with the big hockey pucks. He looked like Mr Neat.
Speaker 1:Did you like that show? Did you like that show?
Speaker 3:No, it was a great time. It was a great time. It was the first year of Greenwoods.
Speaker 4:Dude. That Neil Young show is like putting fucking ham on an Italian sub, like he always does when he plays Greenwood. It's usually the Dude that Neil Young show is like putting fucking ham on an Italian sub.
Speaker 1:All right, dude, thanks for calling.
Speaker 4:All right. So what Steven is referring to and he does, he knows his stuff. David Geffen spent a boatload of money to recruit a bunch of big-name artists when he started Geffen Records and one of those individuals was Neil Young. And David Geffen was betting on Neil Young putting out Neil Young-sounding records and making a lot of money. And Neil Young whether he consciously did it or whether he was trying to reinvent himself or whatever the cave, whatever the case was he put out a couple of records that were largely experimental, uh, that just did not sell, did not sound like Neil Young. People didn't buy them. It was, they were financial disasters and David Geffen sold them. He sued him. He was suing him for not making Neil Young-sounding records.
Speaker 1:That's funny because it's the opposite of Credence Clearwater Revival. The representative suing what's his name? The old lead singer from Creedence, john? Yeah, john Fogarty For sounding too much like Creedence Clearwater Revival. Yeah, what do you mean? What the fuck right?
Speaker 4:Yeah, but look, not for nothing. And look, stephenven, I appreciate that little tidbit. But just because david geffen and neil young are having a little tiff, it doesn't have. It doesn't mean I have to sit through two hours of fucking unrecognizable shit oh what else is?
Speaker 1:going on. What else is on your?
Speaker 4:Oh, a little bit of this and a little bit of that. So you know, I wanted to talk a little bit about, you know, the Dylan movie. I do think that you should see it, although I do recognize that you know the movies are oversaturated now. You know it's either Marvel or DC comic movies or, you know music, biopics. I mean, you know, run down the list. You got the Queen one, you got the Amy Winehouse.
Speaker 1:Elton John.
Speaker 4:Yeah the Elvis, one yeah the Hendrix, one the Elton John, one yeah the Elton John. And most of them suck.
Speaker 1:I won't go see them because someone asked me why, I said because I lived it. I lived it Like we were there. We know pretty much. There's nothing that they did in those movies, with the exception of and I'm assuming this, with the exception of the like origin story, like key parts of it or small parts of an origin story. Yeah, but even the what the fuck do I want to know elton john's background, for anyways, yeah, you know, elton john's got a compelling story.
Speaker 4:Actually that one wasn't half bad. It was part kind of fantasy and part kind of you know story, but it actually showed that he could be a bit of an asshole hold on.
Speaker 1:But but even even a piece of ham in my teeth, hold on. I'm sure you do doesn't belong on.
Speaker 4:It doesn't belong on an italian sub. What was that? What were you drinking? What was that?
Speaker 1:oh this is. Mr Brown iced coffee, god almighty. Yeah, I like it. I was drinking those in 1991 in Sacramento.
Speaker 4:You can only get them at Asian stores Cans of iced coffee and Italian subs. It's really good to know that you're taking good care of yourself, Scott.
Speaker 1:But I've eaten sushi and then followed it up with chocolate milk.
Speaker 4:We all know the Luther.
Speaker 1:Dude, I bought that one time at lunch at Publix Supermarket, so I get supermarket sushi but they make the sushi right in front of you and it's a Japanese guy, so you know it's real.
Speaker 4:It's funny, I'm the eye of those guys too. How do you know? He's Japanese Chang-chang-ching? Oh my God.
Speaker 1:Oh my. God, that's what he says whenever I go to order sushi Hi, can I have a banana roll, chang-chang-ching.
Speaker 4:That's great, I get to go. Adios everybody. It's 2025,.
Speaker 3:Jack, that's great I gotta go adios, everybody.
Speaker 1:It's 2025. Jack, all that shit's gone. That woke shit is dead. It's dead. Nobody fucking cares anymore. Nobody cares, nobody cares. That's all I'm saying. We can joke about it again. We're free to joke about it again. Imagine that freedom. We can joke about it again. We're free to joke about it again.
Speaker 4:Imagine that Freedom, Freedom. Hey, I grew up being called a guinea whop, Dago greaseball. I loved it. Nothing wrong with that it made me who I am today.
Speaker 1:That's right, that's right. You and your glowing personality, that's me. Yeah, yeah, that's me, yeah, yeah, it's me. You know so lost hits lost hits.
Speaker 4:Oh shit, we're already getting into this. What about the other stuff that we were going to talk about? Well, bring it up, stop talking. How do you feel about kendrick lamar playing the super bowl halftime show? Is he worthy?
Speaker 1:kendrick lamar is uh, he, he is a. He's one of those. He's a. The guy sells a lot of fucking records oh yeah, kendrick lamar's a lot of records he's a he's a major talent in in his definitely yeah, he's in the top, like he's in that top echelon of like four, maybe five people at this point right now. Right now he doesn't get caught up in any, seems to not get caught up in any controversies.
Speaker 4:I know that we've talked about this in the past.
Speaker 1:Him and Drake don't like each other, that's for sure. Who likes Drake? A lot of people like Drake, yeah, but Kendrick Lamar isn't one of them no, yeah, but you know, look, rap is having a feud.
Speaker 4:That that's really a new original idea, isn't it?
Speaker 1:it's good for business, absolutely. Is drake really a rapper? That's the other thing. That's the question. Is he really a rapper?
Speaker 2:not you know or is?
Speaker 1:he a pop star. That, that rap in his songs, that's the knock on Drake.
Speaker 4:I would say the latter.
Speaker 1:He puts out good music. I like it.
Speaker 4:With Kendrick Lamar in the Super Bowl show, halftime show coming up. It always brings up the debate of who put on the best Super Bowl show and who didn't, and we've had this conversation before.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it won't be him. No rapper is ever going to put on the best show. Why?
Speaker 2:How can you say that?
Speaker 1:It's not designed that way. They're not. Rap is not a dynamic show. Prince puts on a dynamic show. U2 put on a dynamic show. Whitney Houston dynamic show show you two put on a dynamic show, whitney houston dynamic show. Rappers are more of a in your face show. You know what I mean. They can have a big stage but they as performers are not true performers. They walk around and they and I and I love rap, no, you know what I'm saying, but live, no, no, I no, no, no no, no, no I.
Speaker 4:I don't know what I'm saying, but live, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't know what you're saying at all. What you're saying makes no sense to me whatsoever what you're saying. You're saying that a rap musician or a rap star cannot be dynamic on stage. The shows aren't dynamic.
Speaker 1:They're not known for having these big Fucking production shows.
Speaker 4:They're just not known for it. So when Jay-Z goes out and plays Fenway Park, no dynamic.
Speaker 1:It's a good show. I'm not saying it's not, but it's not like a band Like U2. It's a different vibe. Like you too, like these, it's a. It's a different vibe. When you go to these shows. You know who puts on the best shows of all djs. You ever see those. You ever see videos of these djs playing over in, like norway and germany. That looks like insane.
Speaker 1:It looks like crazy fun Dude it does, and I love that shit. I mean they have their fucking stage for one guy or two guys is those shows are insane the light show and the fireworks and the whole thing. That would be a better show. That would be a better show to get like Paul Oakenfold up there and just like watch it. But it's not popular music, so that will never happen that stuff is hugely popular overseas it's not going to grow in. America? That's not true, not for a halftime show you mean DJ?
Speaker 4:yeah, a DJ, but DJs are routinely. That's not true. Not for a halftime show, not for a halftime show. Wait, wait, wait. You mean DJ yeah, a DJ yeah, but DJs are routinely and regularly selling out the Boston Garden, Madison Square Garden now.
Speaker 1:Like that, has become incredibly, incredibly popular. So that's good for 20,000 people, right? And then you go to Europe and they're in stadiums right, but it's not going to go over on a halftime show.
Speaker 4:I don't know that I can speak to a DJ at a halftime show one way or the other, but I think that you're probably selling Kendrick Lamar a little bit short.
Speaker 1:If it's a halftime show, they're going to make it big. They're going to make a big production production. It's not his touring production, it's the production that the super bowl is going to put on. They're gonna have this giant stage. He's not fitting any of that in an arena and kendrick lamar certainly isn't selling out stadiums.
Speaker 4:No, no, but he's probably selling out arenas.
Speaker 1:He's selling out arenas yes, that's what I mean Like their shows, aren't? They're not. No, rappers have this huge stage show that they got to truck up and fucking bring to the next show and set up, like you know, all the fucking. It's good, it's it's, but it's not great. There's shows, I'm telling you that's that's the nature of the business.
Speaker 4:Yeah, You're entitled to opinion. I think it's. I think it's a blanket statement that you can't really back up, but whatever you can't disprove me.
Speaker 1:I'm not trying to disprove you.
Speaker 4:You are, though I am not. You're disagreeing with me, and by you do you disagree.
Speaker 1:I do disagree with you, you're trying to disprove my, my point, and I know rap fucking. I don't wait a minute. I don't, I don't know how you can just make the statement that you know the, the production and, by the way, go go YouTube, a rap show like YouTube and old and old Um.
Speaker 1:Oh, wait, wait, wait let me finish YouTube Like a Wu Tang clan uh show. It's chaotic. It's chaotic. They're all there's 12 of them and they're all moving around and they're all singing. They're all like and they all walk up to the front. It's just chaotic. If you saw that, you saw the, it was groundbreaking. But the LL Cool J unplugged right, that wasn't really that great. He had a live band and he sang like four of his songs, five or whatever the unplugged was. But it didn't. It was good because it was unique. It was good because it was, it was a first and it was visually because of the live orchestra. But it didn't really fucking go over well with his fan base. It went over great with white America and white MTV, but you didn't see him fucking doing that shit ever again. It wasn't like LL Cool J in the Boston Pops Go on tour together.
Speaker 2:That's how the hell are you in?
Speaker 1:the Boston Pops go on tour together. That sounds hell of you. Perry Denovich, the AI, said aren't halftimes usually lip-synced, they are Well, you too wasn't?
Speaker 4:But you too, prince, wasn't Well hold on a second Perry's asking the question question are the halftime shows usually lip sync, right? So I think? I think perry's question is a little narrower than it should be you are.
Speaker 1:So you have to fucking break down everything. You can't take anything as just what it is. You just did that to me. You now you're doing it to an AI. This guy will fuck your life up.
Speaker 4:He's an AI. I'm just trying to answer his question. And you know and you brought you, brought it up you know, look Perry's right that there are absolutely some of the half Hold on the halftime. Hey, shut up, can you just take another bite of your sandwich?
Speaker 1:I'm done with it. I finished it. It was really good.
Speaker 4:Go on.
Speaker 1:I won't interrupt, I won't even breathe.
Speaker 4:Here's the sad fact of the matter Not only are a lot of halftime shows lip synced, but a lot of live concerts are now lip synced. But what I meant in terms of expanding beyond that is that there are there's other trickery and fuckery going on around as well that you have. You have artists that may not be lip syncing, but they're actually using auto tune live In addition to that. You know just because you brought them up. Look, nobody loves you two more than I do, but those boys play to a backing track.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:So they may, yes, indeed, be playing live, but it's not all live.
Speaker 2:So let's get into that.
Speaker 1:Let's get into that for a second. Is it just as bad to have a backing track but live vocals, or is it bad to be lip syncing to live music?
Speaker 4:No. But look, you and I come from a day and age where if there was any manipulation, people got roasted, crucified over it, but now it's just routine, acceptable. I was telling you that earlier. So to a certain extent. So we can almost go back to the whole Neil Young conversation in terms of what they're playing. But beyond that, look, if you're playing a lot, if you're paying a lot of money, you want it to be a good show that sounds good. So if they're paying a lot of money, you want it to be a good show. That sounds good. So if they're leveraging technology to have a backing track or a click track or or whatever you know, some of that stuff is is forgivable. Um, you know, if you're paying three, four, five hundred dollars and somebody's going out and they're not fucking singing live at all, I think that's disgraceful. But here's, here's the difference, scott, you and I and people like us are the only assholes who care, you know I don't know about that I
Speaker 4:think a buddy of mine dragged me and deb to to see a country artist this guy named nico moon, and I'm looking up on stage. I did not want to be there. I'm not a huge country guy, but I and Deb to see a country artist, this guy named Nico Moon, and I'm looking up on stage. I did not want to be there, I'm not a huge country guy, but I went because he's my buddy and I love him and you know we had a great night just goofing off and hanging out. But I'm looking up on stage.
Speaker 4:They were literally three people on the stage and what I heard was drums, electric guitar, acoustic guitar, pedal steel, bass, guitar, fiddle, bass, guitar, right, and this, this guy. I was watching him and he had, he had the biggest grin and he was moving around and people were going nuts. That guy did not sing one fucking word and you know what? Everybody around me, they did not give a shit and I, I just don't, I don't get it, I just don't get it and then they find out and they're like, oh well, I had a good time anyway.
Speaker 1:Well, you know then? Then fucking watch it live, watch a concert on your fucking big screen and turn up the music. It's the same fucking thing.
Speaker 4:Yeah, hey, what's the next wave of this shit that's coming on? You got, you got people that are using uh, ai and um, you know, holograms and and that type of thing. Hey, you're going to get to go and see Nirvana play, if you want, or the Beatles play.
Speaker 1:That's been in development for a little while now and AI is just going and they can never really pull it off, but AI is going to really raise the bar on that Now. I would enjoy something like that. You know why? Because you know what you're going to see. Yeah, you know exactly what you're going to get. It would be entertaining visually, audio, audioly. You know, it'll just be a cool experience.
Speaker 2:You know what?
Speaker 4:Elvis or Roy Orbison or you know, yeah, in some way it's a great way to keep the music alive, right, introduce the music to new generations. And to your point, yeah, how do we keep milking? How do we keep making money? Uh, you know, you know, from, for me, am I opposed to going and seeing, uh, you know, an ai version of john lennon. You know, it depends. You know, if it's advertised as such, it's good production and it's reasonable write-ups, exactly yeah yeah, but I'm not.
Speaker 4:I'm not going to go and spend 200 to go and see it. You know what it's like.
Speaker 1:No, no, I'm not gonna pay, like I'm going to a concert, exactly. Um, it's like going to see. Remember, remember the they, probably, I don't know if they still do it remember the, uh, the, the site, the museum of science in boston? They had Boston, they have their. What do you call it? The domed.
Speaker 4:The Omni Mugar, omni Theater. No, it was like yeah. The Planetarium the.
Speaker 1:Planetarium, right, and you would pay to go see something in there that had like Pink Floyd music in the lasers at the time, right, that were like really technologically advanced and the stars going over, and it was just the whole experience, right, and they're playing Pink Floyd music or whatever.
Speaker 1:So it's kind of like that, except you're going to see a hologram and you know, and you're going to be like, all right, that was fucking pretty cool. That's how I would look at it. That'd be pretty cool, as long as the music's loud and crisp and the hologram doesn't glitch like fucking princess leia, is it?
Speaker 4:I, I, yeah, but for me, I would still much, much rather go and see a guy or a gal with an acoustic guitar. Yeah, yeah, well, you know, somebody, somebody, that, somebody that can actually, you know, pull it off live.
Speaker 1:I agree. Perry denovich, the ai, says apparently there's usually a couple of laptops on stage and backstage now, which is the norm, and he's right, and that has to do with lighting, that has to do with when I saw the church, uh, in this little venue with phil kelly here in fort lauderdale and they were, they had a laptop right on stage like they were controlling that, like they were going in and doing something in there and I don't know. They didn't seem to have backing tracks. They were pretty much doing what they do and I don't know what it was for, but it was interesting to see the laptop right there, like to the right of the drums, and he'd go over and he'd do something in there and I don't know.
Speaker 4:Yeah, this whole idea of like cheating in live music. It's gone, it's out the window. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I agree. I agree, I don't think I think people like us care. Like Dave Phillips said, he cares. But the average fan. They see Taylor Swift and if she lip syncs a few songs. Madonna was notorious for lip syncing in the 90s. She actually got caught lip syncing. Didn't care, nope, didn't care you know. No, no, no one can run around like that. No one can run around and sing that fucking clear like without being out of breath yeah, not, not.
Speaker 4:Not only did she not care, but but the people that went to see her didn't care either. It didn't affect in a bad way her ticket sales in any way shape or form, Millennials, Fucking idiots.
Speaker 1:Look at you. I'm just saying Boomers would never stand for that. Like we would have been outraged. Millennials are, like it's okay Fucking idiots. I'm starting to gain a little respect for Gen Xers by the way, I'm a Gen Xer, yeah well, gen Xers and millennials. So they're starting to like act like they were the ones that invented shit. But they're realizing that as they get older. Now they're looking at millennials and this new Generation.
Speaker 4:A or whatever.
Speaker 1:Gen Z, yeah, and Gen Zs they're looking at them going you guys suck. Just like we said to them. You guys suck right now they're getting old enough. Now they're walking in our shoes watching these motherfuckers try to ruin everything that they had growing up right, that we gave them as boomers, you know, mean we invented the big wheel going over the fucking ramp that was built over fucking two trash barrels Like we invented that shit. That was us.
Speaker 2:Like, thanks to Evel.
Speaker 1:Knievel yeah.
Speaker 4:So I tell people the stories about when we were kids and they can't even fucking believe it. You know like yeah, I mean you know that one of my first jobs was selling fruit in Haymarket. I used to take the train by myself at like 6 o'clock in the morning Like would you ever let your 12-year-old kid do that?
Speaker 1:No, I used to take the train into Boston to see my grandmother by myself and I was like 11, 12 like you said. Yeah, I mean at 14 we were going into the combat zone which was like new york's version.
Speaker 1:It's, you know, it's the new york version of 42nd street, right, and we would just go in there like fucking, we didn't give a fuck. Nope, you know what I mean? It's crazy, like, and the fact that your parents, our parents, let us take the train into Boston, the bus to the train, right into the city and get off in the subway and walk up the stairs and go into the city by yourself. Yeah, like, I fucking love that. I love that, but not anymore, know why? Because baby boom, gen X mothers ruined everything. Gen X mothers ruined.
Speaker 4:Everybody gets a ribbon.
Speaker 1:Gen X mothers are the fucking ones. My parents didn't let me. They made me and I didn't like it. So now it's like know, we're gonna take everything away. That was good. Gen x mothers ruined everything. They ruined fucking american childhoods. But there's still some rebel mothers out there there's a lot of rebel mothers.
Speaker 4:What kind of a connection do you have with your own kids? Do you guys share a lot in terms of what you like for music?
Speaker 1:music isn't really talked about like with me. Well, they it was. When we were younger, irene and colin were, uh, like they, um, would listen to everything I listened to and I used to talk to them about like rap. I'd be like this is just music, marilyn manson, they were listening to marilyn manson. They were listening to oasis. They were listening to Oasis. They were listening to everything. And I used to tell them it's just music.
Speaker 1:Whatever you see on TV, whatever you hear about Marilyn Manson, blah, blah, blah, it's just music and it's good music and they love it and they never got all fucked up over it. You know what I mean. Like, my daughter was the one that basically turned me on to Korn. My son was the one that basically turned me on to corn. My son was the one that turned me on to gorillas. You know, like, when they first broke in corn and Limp Bizkit, like in all that, like the new metal movement, my kids got me into that because they used to buy the CDs and they, you know, and I was like and it was fucking great. But you know, as they get older, it doesn't really, it's not really a thing. Then I was fortunate to have David and Amanda, who I know David was really like.
Speaker 4:I got him into corn and then gorillas and then he just kind of went off on his own thing. My kids, like little kids, grew up loving the Pogues, REM, Tom Waits.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:And that's what you were playing.
Speaker 1:That's what you were playing.
Speaker 4:Oh, yeah, yeah, you know plus you know, plus you know Peter Gabriel and you know and everything else you know, chili Peppers. Why would you subject your kids to?
Speaker 1:Peter Gabriel.
Speaker 4:Because Peter Gabriel is a genius. It's fucking horrible Dude. That's an idiotic fucking why would you say that?
Speaker 1:Horrible music. The best thing that ever happened to Genesis was Peter Gabriel leaving. Oh my God, what the fuck were they doing when he was there? They weren't doing anything. He was a fucking. He looked like a clown when he shaved his head down the middle. You know, the guy from Prodigy made it look better. Let's put it that way.
Speaker 4:So so. So you think what you know lamb lies down on Broadway. Um, you know all of the other stuff that they did and I get it, it's Prague stuff. It's not, it's not your thing. But you think it was a lot better when he left and Phil Collins was singing invisible touch. Yep, I do, I do. I. I didn don't think I ever knew that you disliked Peter Gabriel as much as you do.
Speaker 1:I don't, I never bought into him. I mean, sledgehammer was a good radio song, it was a poppy catchy song. Red Rain okay, red Rain's a good song.
Speaker 4:But I was never going to buy it. What about In your Eyes? Not a good tune? Good tune, that's three. What about like In your Eyes? Not a good tune. Good tune, that's three. What about Salisbury Hill?
Speaker 1:Nope what.
Speaker 4:Why.
Speaker 1:Why it's too fucking. It just gives me this like Jethro Tull feel, and I don't like Jethro Tull either. No, no.
Speaker 2:I mean all right you know what?
Speaker 1:what? Let's just let me put it on and I'll tell you why I don't like it.
Speaker 3:I don't like it, I don't like it at all shut up.
Speaker 4:We had to listen to rap music. Yeah, it's good, but not great great Shut up Rabbit.
Speaker 1:That was one of the best cartoons ever, with the fucking Rocky the Gangsta Shut up, rabbit. Garbage. What do you mean, garbage?
Speaker 2:Shut their tongue.
Speaker 3:Climbing up on Salisbury.
Speaker 1:Hill. Yeah, I like Salisbury Steak better. Of course you do, I do See, look at that. That's the Orlando. Don't put it on, scott, I'm with you, it's a garbage song. It's garbage. It's Peter Gabriel. Look, look, you know what Peter Gabriel and fucking, fucking, and what's his name? From uh, uh, from from sticks, uh, debage. Um, dennis de young, dennis de young, those two should fucking get together and make a play I think that I think play.
Speaker 4:I think that peter gabriel is well beyond dennis de young, I'm sorry, yeah well, elage Dennis DeYoung, it's all the fun.
Speaker 1:Al DeBage is better, actually, god.
Speaker 4:Look at you. Salisbury steak. When was the last time you had a Salisbury steak?
Speaker 1:Probably in width of high school cafeteria.
Speaker 4:Lunch. You kind of miss it. You kind of miss it with that brown sauce.
Speaker 1:It's fucking hamburger. It's a burger with brown sauce. That was the thing. Nothing will ever be better than the pizza burger that they used to serve. You were way too young because I was in elementary school and when they first broke we were in the high school. When they started supplying schools with school lunches it became a big deal and they were these fucking scalding hot tins. They were literally like fucking tv dinners and you would just smell. On tuesdays it was the pizza burger.
Speaker 1:I don't remember the pizza burger was covered in fucking mozzarella cheese. A burger covered with mozzarella cheese and and sauce, red sauce, and it was like molten lava, like it was, but it smelled so fucking good. Smelled so good. Uh, let's get into some lost hits here and I'll start off. This is this is a journey into sound. What song is that from?
Speaker 1:you wouldn't know, it's eric B and Rakim. Anyway, this song came out in 96. And I don't know. I think you heard it. I think you heard it. It's a lost 90s. I got a bunch of 90s hits here Because 90s was actually let's see.
Speaker 3:Horse meat.
Speaker 1:90s is good music, so who sings this? Have you heard this one?
Speaker 2:It'll start to pick up Things I haven't said. Live inside the elements. The earth and sky are my best friends. Water is the evidence that washes me from end to end.
Speaker 1:It's coming up the hook With my naked eye. I saw a heart of fallen rain coming down on me With my naked eye I saw a heart that said it all no, no, I don't know this tune. Lucius Jackson, oh yeah, this tune Lucius Jackson, oh yeah, okay, lucius Jackson, naked Eye, is it Lucius?
Speaker 4:or is it Luscious Jackson?
Speaker 1:I always said Lucius, but it's L-U-S-C-I-O-U-S. Is it Luscious? I think it's Luscious. I think they pronounced it Lucius, though Either way. Either way, anyways, anyways, though either way, either, anyways, anyways. You know, I, I really I made a concerted effort to stop saying anyways and it worked. So tell deb she was successful in changing my vocabulary. Deb is all about to learn.
Speaker 4:Deb is all about deprogramming.
Speaker 1:Oh, C-Models very active tonight.
Speaker 4:Thank, you for not recognizing that song.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got me, man, I didn't. Yeah, I didn't know that. Okay, what do you got? Give me a song that I can play.
Speaker 4:Let's see. You know what I'm going to start with something that is actually kind of old and I'll tell a little story behind. This is actually kind of old and I'll tell a little story. Uh, behind this. Let me ask you this, scott when van halen first started out and this was even before they put out their first album they hired ted templeman of the doobie brothers producing fame to produce the first uh van halen album. And ted templeman and the management actually wanted to get rid of David Lee Roth, like like before the first album was even recorded. Do you remember who they actually wanted to replace him with?
Speaker 1:I? I've heard this story before, but I can't think of it off the top of my head.
Speaker 4:They wanted to replace him with the lead singer of a band called Montrose.
Speaker 1:Yeah, uh, uh, uh, sammy, yeah, sammy Hagar.
Speaker 4:Sammy Hagar.
Speaker 1:I was going to say that too. Honest to God. But I was like that's yeah, they wanted to replace him with Sammy Hagar. Yeah.
Speaker 4:But Montrose had. Their probably biggest hit was a song called Bad Motor Scooter Great song. Want me to play it. I want you to play it and I want you to play the beginning, for one particular reason as well.
Speaker 1:So are you saying this is a lost hit? It is a lost hit? All right, here we go. Oh shit, If that's not a Van Halen song.
Speaker 4:No, no, no no.
Speaker 2:Yeah, great song, but but play the play the beginning just for one second again.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's a great song, but play the beginning just for one second again. From the very beginning yeah, all right, you can stop Now. Listen to this.
Speaker 1:Motley Crue, motley Crue, motley Crue. That's where I heard that.
Speaker 4:That's where I heard that before, so is that a tribute to that song or is that a ripoff?
Speaker 1:I have to say that's kind of an homage. Yeah, I wouldn't say that, because the whole song after that is different. So that would be more of an homage, because it's like its own entity within the song. It's not relevant to the other. All right, kickstart my hot motorcycle thing. But I'd say it's kind of an homage. Yeah, you never heard Sammy Hagar complain about it.
Speaker 4:No, no. I think that Motley Crue were well aware of the early Montrose. They were a monster band Right. They were actually probably deserve a lot more credit than they actually got. They never really hit the heights. They were pretty popular back in the day. But Bad Motor Scooter, great song.
Speaker 1:All right, tell me what year this song came out and it was it was. It's a lost hit because it was popular, it was in the charts what year?
Speaker 4:so this is the nails. Yep, um, yep. So it's what? 88 lines about 44 women, yeah, and I would say that this came out in 1984.
Speaker 1:1986.
Speaker 4:86? Really Wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 1986 that came out and it was a hit. Like that was a popular song. I hate that whole Talking through a song. The only song I like when somebody talks through it Offhand is Wild Side, that Lou Reed. Lou Reed talked through everything, though he never really was much of a singer.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it was his style, it was his style.
Speaker 1:I'm not knocking him, that was his style, right.
Speaker 4:That's kind of a quirky little tune. I liked that song and, believe it or not, there are actually a couple of other songs on that album that that were pretty good, and the reason I know that is I was working at strawberries records and tapes on Washington street and we used to, you know, have our playlist and we were featuring we would. The nails was in rotation and they used to play that song. I heard that song 30 times a day.
Speaker 1:Fucking brutal. When I worked at a record store I was like I don't know what it's called. It was actually a chain. It was a chain record store. They sold DVDs too. It was a whole thing. You had to wear a fucking shirt and pants and a tie I forget the name of the place but eventually the whole thing folded. But those fucking playlists were brutal. I'll do that at a supermarket, like I'll go in and I'll say to the cashier you know, young, I'll say how many times have you heard this song today? It's usually to a fucking cash. Yeah, just it was it was.
Speaker 4:It was particularly difficult if it was a shitty record like well, oh yeah. But one of the other ones, like I, I can almost tell you like five or six albums that with when I worked at strawberries the, the first fat boys album yeah, pretty good uh, the nails, uh uh, david bowie, you know, tonight with like blue jean and never let me down right, not, not a great record.
Speaker 2:I like blue jean not not a great record and hurt yeah, blue jean.
Speaker 4:Blue jean was okay, but when you hear for the you know 12th song, 12, 12 time in the of the day was just it was actually crazy.
Speaker 1:All right, I got this. This is a lost hit. They weren't. They were, but they're kind of in that, Were they one hit wonders? They had a second hit, and this is just in the United States Group. Is the Stereo MCs you ever hear of them? Ever hear of the Stereo MCs you ever hear of?
Speaker 4:them Ever hear of the stereo MCs? Right, yeah, sure. By the way, mood Swing the Nails. 88 Lines About 44 Women came out in 1984.
Speaker 1:My shit's in 86. Alright, I believe you. I'm not going to lie to you. I don't know why my stuff came out, Although I was putting this list together when I was driving. Well, sitting in traffic, I should say I literally was in standstill traffic.
Speaker 4:I just I think I was. I think I was living on Cape Cod in 86. So I wasn't working at strawberries anymore. I had long since been fired by then.
Speaker 1:So this group, stereo MCs, came out with this song. It's a big, big club song too. Yeah, club song too.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I remember this tune, yeah.
Speaker 1:Right, this is a big club song, at least in Sacramento, that's where I was. So this came out in 1992. What were you doing in 92?
Speaker 4:I was living in Somerville with Deb. I might have been in Winthrop by that point, depending upon what time in 1992, I might have actually been living with Deb in Winthrop. Okay, on the verge of having a first child.
Speaker 1:Okay, fun times, fun times. Oh yeah, give me another last hit from your list.
Speaker 4:So not only I think that this is a lost hit hit, but I think that this is kind of a one hit wonder. Um, you know, I I have this song on a couple of mixes in spotify. Um, I, for whatever reason, I just love this, this, this tune, but the song is no myth by Michael Penn, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Michael Penn. I like it. I like this song too. Good pluck, yeah, yeah. What year? I'd say it was late 90s, early 90s, no 80s.
Speaker 4:Really, I think it's the 80s. Look it up 89. 89. Right, yeah, 89. It's actually later than I thought, than I thought it was. Uh, I don't know what it is, but for whatever reason, I love that song. By the way, michael penn, michael penn, uh married a you know boston music hero. Oh, he married uh, uh, didn't he marry?
Speaker 1:he was he married to amy man. Yeah, amy Mann.
Speaker 1:Yeah, till Tuesday From till Tuesday yep, I put Michael Penn in there with Julian Lennon. They had good. They had like those two. Each one of them had like Velot had like two good, three good songs. Maybe Michael Penn was the same. He has another hit too. There was another song that came off his debut album, if I remember correctly, and it was. It was a pretty good song, like it wasn't bad. I just remember that it wasn't like oh, this is fucking horrible yeah, his stuff is okay, it's okay that like that.
Speaker 4:That's that song. That was his high watermark. I remember he played the WBCN River Rave at the Boston Gardens and I was with Burt Klein from Winthrop and I had a couple in me and I was talking to Michael Penn and I just made a complete asshole of myself.
Speaker 2:All right.
Speaker 4:I can't even tell you what I said, but I remember walking by know, walking by going. Jesus Christ get your shit together with your man.
Speaker 1:He forgot about you as soon as you walked away.
Speaker 4:No, he didn't give a shit. And you know what, like I was, he was mid sentence and I actually turned away from him because Dave and Ray Davies.
Speaker 1:Well, there you go. There's a reason. Yeah, all right, this song, what's that? Dave and Ray Davies. Well, there you go. There's a reason. Alright, this song, what's that?
Speaker 4:Bye, bye.
Speaker 1:Michael Penn Alright, this song. Tell me if you know who sings it. You know who sings it Never, never, never never ending.
Speaker 3:I just thought, think about.
Speaker 1:Letters to Cleo.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I like this song too.
Speaker 1:It's a good song. It came out in 1997. But it's one of those songs you don't hear on the radio too much, you don't even on serious like I listen to the 90s. I jump around, you know. But um boston band yeah, yeah, yeah. The song is here and Now. By Letters to Cleo. Yeah, give me another lost, hit off your list.
Speaker 4:I will actually pick. I think that this is a lost hit. Another band from the 80s that never really took off. They had some notoriety, they had some level of success. You know, success, uh, let the day begin by the call the call. Wow, I know this song yeah this is a great tune yeah, yeah, yeah the call.
Speaker 1:Wow, never really did much after this.
Speaker 4:They had this, they have had, I still believe, yeah, and they had, you know, their first hit when the walls came down. Yeah, when the walls came down, yeah.
Speaker 1:Jump ahead of us.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 4:What year, oh God, that's got to be 86, I guess, oh, check it out.
Speaker 1:The Call Wow how about that I love doing these shows. I love this whole rabbit hole, because you really do discover all this shit. Really, these were hits at the time, meaning they were in the top 40, maybe the top 70. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Gate Hold on.
Speaker 4:what was that?
Speaker 1:someone's coming through my gate. I don't know who it is, I just let anybody in. I don't even ask, not good, yeah, these really were. These were on the radio, they were in rotation, these songs yeah, radio mtv videos.
Speaker 4:You know the whole deal. I got one for you next. All right, hit me, hit me no, you forgot about this song.
Speaker 1:You forgot about this song. I'm telling you, um, this one came out in. I'm gonna tell you, it came out in 82. So I'm going to test you on this. You're going to know exactly who it is right away. There we go, but I know you forgot about it. You know it yet. No, very unique sound.
Speaker 4:You've heard the song, though, right. It sounds familiar to me, although it sounds completely cheesy, like it's in a driving scene in the movie Footloose.
Speaker 1:This is like the fourth hit off this album.
Speaker 4:This is Missing Persons. That's who I thought it was.
Speaker 1:Yep yep, that sound? I mean their sound. Is they niched out their sound sound? I mean their sound is.
Speaker 2:They niched out their sound Right.
Speaker 1:This is like the fourth best song on that Spring Session M album. The hook's coming up. That's the hook of the song. It had a video. It was played on the radio. So Can you not tell me you have to agree with me on this. This album cover Is almost the absolute Epitome. If there was a definition of the 80s, right, this could possibly be the picture that you would see the cover of Spring Session M. It's a beautiful cover, but just all the colors, the hair, the fucking blue line through the eyes, the whole thing.
Speaker 4:You were talking about Letters to Cleo right Dale Bozio. No she's not in Letters to Cleo, no, but she was a local girl.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she was from Medford, medford, massachusetts, her and her husband Terryford, her and her, uh, and her husband Terry Bozio.
Speaker 4:She well, I don't know if Terry was, oh I thought they met. So. So Dale Bozio was in Medford, Massachusetts. She ended up going uh, she studied drama at Emerson, went out to California to be like an actress. She actually ended up at the playboy mansion for a little while.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:And then ended up um with uh with Frank Zappa. That's how she met Terry Bozio. So, by the way. By the way you know, we went when she was at the height of her fame if you want to call it the height of her fame like right around 85,. She posed naked in Hustler magazine. She had a killer body.
Speaker 1:Oh my God.
Speaker 1:So the story goes that she's out in LA and her sister was there and something happened to her sister whether she got in an accident or something and her sister was pretty banged up and they were in staying in a, in a hotel a holiday inn, as a matter of fact, I believe it was and so she's in the lobby.
Speaker 1:She goes out to the lobby to get something and she sees these three guys and she doesn't think much of it, but they kind of approach her and they start following her up to her room and she runs in the room, closes the door, calls security, hotel security. She said next thing you know there's a knock at the door and she looks through the peephole and it's a security guard and the guy she opens it up and he comes in and her sister's on the bed comes in and you know her sister's on the bed and the guy says all you need to do is shut up and do as you're told and you won't die, basically, and he grabs her, throws her up against wall, grabs her by the hair right and she breaks away somehow and she runs over to the window and the guy comes at her and her sister starts to kind of interfere.
Speaker 1:She's all banged up. She climbs out the window, she's on the ledge of the fucking Holiday Inn on the fourth floor. The guy reaches out and grabs her and she says she just let go. And she just the guy let her go. And she falls four floors, hits, hits the top of the holiday inside. You know that arrow, sure right, hits that fucking falls down, hits the ground. She. She broke both her elbows, her floating rib. She fucking almost died. Like she was fucked up, right.
Speaker 1:She wakes up like two weeks later in Frank Zappa's living room. Frank Zappa had paid to get you know the hospital. She's like bring her to my house. They set her up in his living room and she said I woke up and like I hear a harp, a harp playing. And she's like did I die? And it was Moon Zappa playing the harp because she said that will help her heal. And she said I was passed out. I just I dropped out again for like another fucking week and they were trying to feed her pasta. She remembers she goes. I kept trying to feed me pasta because you need. You haven't eaten in two weeks, right, but yeah, that was, was? That's? That's where the song destination unknown came from. It was kind of from that story yeah, I didn't know that go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she just, she just let go and was like whatever happens, happens at this point yeah, yeah, crazy.
Speaker 4:I did not know that story. What the one story that I do know about Dale Bozio is? She lives here in New Hampshire. Yeah, a couple of years ago she was arrested for animal cruelty. So in 2009, she was convicted of animal cruelty. If that was me, you would be cruelty.
Speaker 1:So in 2009, she was convicted of animal aminal aminal animal cruelty after several dead, you would be fucking jumping in my shit right now. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What did you just say? What did you just say?
Speaker 4:whoa, I never, I never, I never aminal.
Speaker 1:Did you say see, I let you go?
Speaker 4:no, not you, I never I never claimed that I could read keep going tell the fucking story so it says. In 2009, she was convicted of animal cruelty after several dead and malnourished cats were found at her home in ossipee, new hampshire, while she was touring with her band. She claimed that the caretaker that she had hired to stay at her house did not arrive. She was sentenced to 30 days in jail and 250 hours of community service, barred from keeping pets, in order to pay $2,700 euthanasian bill.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I saw an interview with her. I don't know when it was done, it's fairly recent. I believe she's got like the nicotine stains on her front teeth. You know what I mean it's like the ratty. She's fucking out there, man, she's out there. She's fucking crazy, yeah, but she's cool, she's cool crazy, though you know.
Speaker 4:How much of her look did Lady Gaga steal from?
Speaker 1:Dale Bozio Fucking everything, Everything. She stole everything, that whole look. You know. I mean she is an iconic figure in the 80s, in the music scene of the 80s, basically because of her look On that Do you Hear Me? Video. She's wearing that dress with the Wendy O Williams Remember Wendy O Williams from the Plasmatics Sure? At least she covered the outside of her breasts, Del Bozio did, and her nipple, but it was in the short dress. Great body, you know, Real, that typical Italian nose like that Italian. Look, Italian girl, look you know most.
Speaker 4:Most people don't know that. You know missing persons actually had a handful of hits. They did, yeah. Destination unknown.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying Off that album alone, destination unknown.
Speaker 4:walking in LAA, mental Hopscotch.
Speaker 1:Yep Walking in LA was Terry Bozio. She was living in a. They were living in an apartment complex in LA, the three of them, and it was the guitar player, I forget his name. Warren Cucciarelli, the dude he's the one that wrote fucking Duran Duran's what's it called? Ordinary World, Unknown Caller. Ordinary World. He wrote Ordinary World. That dude wrote a lot of fucking good songs after Missing Persons.
Speaker 4:He may have written the music. I thought Ordinary World was actually written by Simon Le Bon, because it was about him maybe the losing, losing his friend.
Speaker 1:He wrote the um, he wrote the music for it.
Speaker 4:You might be right, I know I'm right with that. I'm just looking, I'm just, I'm You're trying to prove me wrong. No, no, I think you're right Give me another song.
Speaker 1:Give me another song.
Speaker 4:All right, all right, I am going to pick Starseed by Our Lady Peace. Hey, while you're playing that, I'll be right back.
Speaker 1:What are you going to go? Get a fucking Italian sub.
Speaker 4:Yes, jesus Christ.
Speaker 1:Why would he do that? I'm going to play the song I like, Our Lady Peace. I don't know if this is a lost hit, though this might be a song that he likes, but I don't think this is a lost hit. I don't think this had airplay. He's not here so I can talk about it Now. This wasn't a lost. This isn't a lost. Now I have to boldly disagree with him, have to boldly disagree with Jack on this one. Starseed. What the fuck, Dude? This isn't a lost hit. This isn't a lost hit. This is just a song off their album. Can you hear me?
Speaker 2:What are you doing, you, there?
Speaker 1:Yeah, see, you fucking walked away. See, with those fucking in-air, fucking air plugs. Can you hear me now this dude? He walks out, gets out of Bluetooth range and now he can't hear anything. Wait, I can hear it. I can hear it. Dude, this isn't a lost hit.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it was. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1:I mean, if you were going to have an Our Lady piece, a lost hit, it wouldn't be that song, it would be this song. Yeah, it would be this one, because this is the one that had all the play.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's star-seed, will you worry that you're not liked? How long till you break?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Starseed. But how much can you make An ordinary boy Superman's dead An ordinary name? But ordinary is just not good enough to name. And now how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how.
Speaker 1:Starseed is like the third song that would be played by them.
Speaker 4:It was a single. It was actually on the Armageddon soundtrack. It was a single.
Speaker 1:This is the other song that would be before that one.
Speaker 4:Hey, I can pick whatever fucking song I want.
Speaker 1:It's not a lost hit. It is a lost hit I know our lady piece.
Speaker 4:It is.
Speaker 1:This is a good song actually.
Speaker 3:Throw away the radio Suitcase keeps you awake. Hide the telephone. Telephone, telephone in case you realize that someday this is a lost hit.
Speaker 1:That's a good fucking song.
Speaker 4:They had a couple of good songs, but Star Sea was a hit for them that just never gets played anymore. Nope.
Speaker 1:What do you mean? Nope, nope. I know this group and I know their hits. And what's not their hits?
Speaker 4:Yeah look, you know this group, I know this group. I bet you most of the people that are listening don't know this group. I know you don't.
Speaker 1:You're just making it up. You're a. You would have picked one of the other songs.
Speaker 4:You're a big jerk just saying you're a big jerk? No, you're, you're just clumsy you're just stupid, you're just, you're a giant, you're a giant stupid head.
Speaker 1:All here we go. Now let me get to my next one. Oh, this one dude. This one was from 1980. I'm going to see if you know who this is. Oh, I love this fucking song. No, that's not the one.
Speaker 2:No come on, how did I? Well, I was doing this while I was driving, so I put the one no come on, how did I?
Speaker 1:Well, I was doing this while I was driving, so I put the wrong one in. Shut up you shut up.
Speaker 4:You know who's stupid, you stupid. Here we go.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing.
Speaker 4:Hey, kevin, here we go.
Speaker 2:Here's the thing.
Speaker 4:I can still taste the ham from my Italian sandwich.
Speaker 1:That's right, that's right.
Speaker 4:Damn right Ham on an Italian sandwich.
Speaker 1:Who sings it? Oh my God, 1980. This was a hit. This is a top ten hit.
Speaker 4:Is this Our Lady Peace? No.
Speaker 1:You're going to know as soon as you hear him sing. You don't know this song. Oh, I love this fucking song. Here we go.
Speaker 3:That's Isaac Hayes.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and I love Isaac Hayes. Look, I was just listening to Isaac Hayes the other day. Chef, I'm so glad our days are through here. I was just listening to Isaac Hayes the other day.
Speaker 3:Chef.
Speaker 1:Here's the hook. Here's the hook. Oh yeah, this feeling is killing me All shots. I would stop for a million bucks. A million bucks. See, I can do Isaac. You can't. You don't have that voice. Isaac Hayes 1980. That's a jam. That's a jam. That's a jam. All right, give me another one.
Speaker 4:All right, how about you know, since we mentioned them earlier? How about man on the Corner by Genesis?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know what? I'll go with that. I'll go with that. That is one of their lesser played hits.
Speaker 4:They never play it.
Speaker 1:No, but it was a hit. It was in the top 40, I believe Now how many songs we thought were in the top 40, but were in such heavy MTV MTV rotation. We just kind of confuse the two, right?
Speaker 4:Peter Gabriel couldn't have pulled this off he could probably what you probably would have refused to play this exactly because he's a fucking asshole.
Speaker 1:He's an asshole. Yeah, man on the corner. That's a good song, that's a good song. Well, that was a good album that whole fucking album was good, yeah, you know, yeah, uh, a couple more, couple more. This one came out in 1998. I think you know it. I I think you probably should know it. It was pretty popular.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, New Radicals Yep.
Speaker 1:My daughter, Irene, hates this fucking song.
Speaker 3:Why I don't know, but she hates it Laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh.
Speaker 1:Laugh, it's a good song.
Speaker 4:I love this song.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wake up kids. We love this song. Yeah, if you can't listen to this song and think of Winthrop, on a summer, like in the summer 3 am we ran the Miracle Mile, you know what I mean. Or when there's just nobody around, yeah, this is a great kid's childhood song, like right here.
Speaker 4:These lyrics, you cannot find the life you feel. Your dreams are dying. So do we have to talk about the end of this song?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, let's go. Let's jump to the head, let's jump to the back. I love that he fucking dogs them all because he's right.
Speaker 3:You only get what you give right here health insurance ripoff like fd, so he says health insurance, a computer crashing, dining, cloning, while they're multiplying fashion shoots and beckon hansen courtney loving maryland manson. You're all fakes. Run to your mansions, come around, we'll kick your ass in right, they didn't like that so greg alexander, who hold on yeah, they didn't like that at all.
Speaker 1:He called he's right. Beck was a fucking sellout as soon as he fucking made it, as soon as that dude got money he went right to the right over into that side from being that the cool nerdy dude to the fashion, you know, fashionista, fucking nerdy dude nah I never bought into him after that so g Greg Alexander was basically essentially the new radicals yeah.
Speaker 4:And he basically said that he threw those lines in there to see if the media would pick up on it and ignore the social message that is conveyed at the beginning of the song or the front end of the song.
Speaker 1:Right, and they did. Well, it caught traction. I remember seeing an interview with marilyn manson who fucking couldn't fight his way out of my, my fucking italian, my former italian sub tinfoil, saying I'll tell him to meet me. Blah, blah. I always love when fucking rocks I was trying to get tough.
Speaker 4:It's so funny so matt so, but the quote that I saw on well, I have in front of me in Wikipedia. Marilyn Manson commented that he was not mad, said that he kicked my ass. I just don't want to be used in the same sentence with Courtney Love. I'll crack his skull open if I see him. Beck reported that Alexander personally apologized for the line when they met each other by chance in a supermarket, claiming that it was never meant to be personal. Alexander collaborated with hansen, whose drummer, zach hansen, called him a bit of a character, but a cool guy and he was.
Speaker 1:He never really made it after that he was. Well, they said he was a wild card. He was a wild there was.
Speaker 4:There was one other song Off that album Called Somewhere we Go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 4:I love that song as much, if not more, than this song.
Speaker 1:But again, I think he was hard to handle and record companies Didn't want to deal with him.
Speaker 4:He was a bit of a character, I think he made this one record and he left the music business. I'll give him credit. He was a bit of a character, I I think he made this one record and he left the music business well, I'll give him credit.
Speaker 1:He was wearing the fucking bucket hat before that whole you know night, early 90s or early 90s, late 80s, you know uh madchester scene when the bucket hat became like a big thing, you know to where even uh oasis was wearing. You know, liam gallagher was wearing him. The dudes from stone roses the drummer was wearing the bucket hatasis was wearing them. Liam Gallagher was wearing them. The dudes from the Stone Roses the drummer was wearing the bucket hat. He was wearing that shit too.
Speaker 4:Someday We'll Know. The second single off of that record is one of my favorite songs. I love that too. It's a beautiful song. Let's play it. What's the name of it? It's a beautiful song. It's called Someday We'll Know.
Speaker 1:It's sentimental, but I like, Don't start getting gay on me now, someday, we'll know. I said that, so what, we'll know.
Speaker 4:Well, this whole. You've been just set free, haven't you?
Speaker 1:I have it's a new time.
Speaker 3:Ah, beautiful song 90 miles outside Chicago, can't stop driving. I don't know why Day so many questions. I need an answer Two years later. No, it's a good song.
Speaker 4:Get to the chorus.
Speaker 1:Sunday we'll go. Can't blow, can't blow the chorus. It's a nice song. It's a nice song, I'm not denying it, I'm just saying it's a little feminine for you.
Speaker 4:You got a nice little song. It's nice, it's kind of pretty, it's a little romantic. It's a nice song, can I tell you.
Speaker 1:All right, you want to talk about quirky songs. We got two more songs, each two more songs. Oh God, For the love of God, I want to go to bed. No, you don't you love this. You miss this.
Speaker 4:Yes, it's my favorite, let's see Again.
Speaker 1:this is a really quirky song. Here we go. I don't think you know who sings it.
Speaker 3:You don't remember who sings it, but everybody heard this fucking song, it's cool.
Speaker 1:I've been practicing it in my mind. Came out in 94.
Speaker 3:There we go. It's going to pick up, hit it, I feel.
Speaker 1:You ever hear this song before?
Speaker 4:I don't think I know this tune. You ever hear this song before? I don't think.
Speaker 1:I know this tune.
Speaker 4:It's Lucas, with the Lid Off by Lucas Nope.
Speaker 3:This one got by me.
Speaker 1:It's a pretty jazzy song, right? Yeah yeah, it's a lost hit 94, 94. He never did anything after this. I mean one hit wonders and lost hits are basically they can be the same thing right, yeah, yeah, sure they can, sure they can.
Speaker 4:All right, can I? Can I ask you a question? You know you can't. Can you actually have a, a lost hit or a lost song? Maybe it never gained the prominence that it deserved, but can a band like Van Halen have a lost hit? Can a really popular band? So if I were to list a bunch of Van Halen songs that are lesser known, do they qualify Like in a simple rhyme or out of love, again, woman in love I think women in love is could be considered.
Speaker 1:Because it does. It's. That's my probably my favorite uh van halen song, because you know van halen 2 is my favorite van halen album. Um, and women in love is probably my favorite song off that album. I believe so, but you never hear it played. So I think you just answered your question. I think there are songs like that, and so think about that, right, let me see why. Here we go. Why do you never hear this song On the radio, right?
Speaker 4:Love that.
Speaker 1:Fucking great song. What doesn't it have? That's not radio appealing and it just never got pushed. It never got, you know, but it was played, but it wasn't.
Speaker 4:Such a great song.
Speaker 1:It is and it's not David Lee Roth's like out of control. David, he's actually really singing, you know, he actually performs Right breaking my heart, girl, you better stop thinking something, right?
Speaker 4:so I think you just answered your question. Yeah, hey, while while we're talking about our van halen boys, if you find yourself, uh on a long trip, get on to audible and listen to the I guess you'd call it a memoir by alex van halen, the brothers book that he put out. It's it's pretty damn good. A lot, a lot of like a lot of uh kind of uh interesting backstories that you may not know and if you believe him, you know alex van halen is somewhat of a controversial, controversial figure, but if you believe him, they were devastated when david lee roth left the band and alex van halen kind of considers that the end of the real van halen well it was.
Speaker 1:I mean I. I held strong for years until I I then I started to appreciate. When all the luster died down from Van Hagar and a couple albums in and everything kind of the dust settled. Then I went back and started to appreciate Van Hagar. But yeah, they watched their fucking ATM or their money truck back out of their fucking bank instead of back into their bank.
Speaker 4:I mean they, they did, they did pretty well with sam, they didn't know that at the time.
Speaker 1:So that's the thing, right?
Speaker 4:yeah, I mean I mean they, they, they had a very, very lucrative and successful career with sammy hagar, but in terms of like what, what's aged? Well, like the, the first, what is not david lee roth? No, not david lee roth, but those. But those original van halen albums have aged so much better than the van hagar stuff so there's a decade difference in there.
Speaker 1:I mean, they were led, they were legendary for those first, for their first three or four albums, right, I've thought all their albums all the way up to 1984. I mean, they were all big sellers, they were a Van Halen, they were the epitome of rock and roll at the time, right, so that shit's never going to get erased. Just because they feuded, it wasn't erasing anything. Now, when you start the second generation of van halen, they got new fans, right so they they did you know?
Speaker 4:look, there are people there, there are. There are people out there that you know, like the. You know sammy hagar, stuff better. Um, I don't know wait a minute.
Speaker 1:Is that Scott the engineer? It is Scott the IT guy. Scott the IT guy what he says. Hey, peaky Blinder.
Speaker 4:I have a project.
Speaker 1:I have a projector for you.
Speaker 4:All right, thanks, scott.
Speaker 1:That's a reference to Jack wearing the Irish hat, although it's actually cultural appropriation because Italians shouldn't wear those hats. But you know who?
Speaker 4:who says I'm 100 italian? I'm a mutt just like you.
Speaker 1:No, no, no no, yeah, you're, you're fucking 100 dago guinea, yeah, guinea warm we're free, jack, we can do this now. Hey, lookit 166 episodes in and I haven't been canceled yet and we're over 30,000 downloads, so I'm not worried at this point. Our fans are our fans. All right, I want to do one more song each, and then I want to get a memory from you. I have a couple songs for you.
Speaker 4:Oh, I didn't do the memory thing. That's right pick any song.
Speaker 1:This now this group right here. You heard this song. They never bounced back in there and I'm going to tell you the incident that happened. Um, but this song came out in. Uh, let me see when did this come out? Uh, I forget, it was early 2000s, I believe. But Let me see when did this come out? I forget, it was early 2000s, I believe. But there we go, and it's a couple samples here. Know it?
Speaker 3:yet.
Speaker 1:That's a common hip-hop beat right there. Pump up the volume. Pump up the volume. Spandau Ballet. Actually, the lead singer from Spandau Ballet was in the video. Do you know who it is?
Speaker 4:Is it PM Dawn, pm Dawn. That's funny because I have on my list PM Dawn. I Die Without you. I Die Without you. Yeah, I love. That is a beautiful song.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they were good. They were like psychedelic kind of hip hop Well, not hip hop, psychedelic pop rap. They were very unique. They didn't last very long, did they? No, I'll tell you what. They did a show with Boogie Down Production, krs, krs1, and it was a hip-hop show and, like I said, hip-hop shows are different kind of shows. And, uh, they went out on stage and they fucking got blasted. And then, to add insult to injury, krs1 came out on stage and just started fucking. Like when they left the stage, he shredded them. Like who the fuck are they? Like what the fuck? And they never really recovered from that.
Speaker 4:Like they just too bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and they were. These dudes are brothers. They were like fucking mellow, they didn't need, they had no beef. You know what I mean. We're not looking yeah, they had they had their own thing. Man, we just want to do a show, but no, you can't. But you got to know your audience. That's, that's a big, you mean. You mean like your audience.
Speaker 4:You mean like when the rolling stones prints prints out there oh, wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 1:Scott, the it guy speaking cultural appropriation. House of patriot. Yeah, I'm fucking ir. I'm Irish. Irish Want to see the big fucking Irish pride tattoo on my leg. I'm Irish, don't start trouble. Look at this dude. He picked up right where he left off fucking two years ago, two years ago. Picks right up where he left off. Yeah, yeah, I'm Irish. House of paint, irish Right two years ago takes right up where he left off.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, I'm irish house of pain, irish right, oh man, so I'm just looking at you know, pm dawn, so it was by the brothers. Yeah, uh, atrel cordes, known by his name, prince b. Yeah, he actually died. Yeah, he died in 2016.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the fat guy, the fat one. There was a fat one and a skinny one, that's all you can separate them.
Speaker 4:What a great guy you are.
Speaker 1:I'm just I can tell you what do you want me to say? The guy that should have taken Ozempic. What do you want me to call him? Yeah, the guy that should have taken Ozempic.
Speaker 4:What do you want me to call him? Yeah, the fat guy, he died. Yeah, he deserved to die, fatty.
Speaker 1:Just like Fat Luther and Skinny Luther. That's how you define Luther's career. Oh, is it Fat Luther or is it Skinny Luther? That's how you define the Luther Vandross career. Am I wrong here? No, I'm not. That's why the sandwich the luther was created. So why do you? Why'd you call it? I said because this is a sandwich that luther vandross would have eaten fat luther vandross, not skinny luther vandross I just, I just find it funny.
Speaker 4:like I you know, we talked about about them being kind of like a beautiful mellow band and I didn't know that he was dead until I looked at it. I was like, oh, that's too bad. And you're like, oh yeah, the fat one. Of course he died.
Speaker 1:That's how you differentiate them.
Speaker 4:Of course he died. What do you think the skinny one? Skinny one's going to live until he's 105. He's still alive. He's still alive. Oh yeah, fat one. There's that, by the way. By the way, luther andrews fat, he's dead. He died, skinny, but he died. Leslie west, big big rock star, right mountain died dead. Meatloaf dead dead, dead.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you want to name all the fucking faggot. Roy Clark dead, mama Cass Dead Ham sandwich. No, she did not. I knew you. I could have fucking bet my fucking pension on that.
Speaker 4:She did not die from choking on a ham sandwich.
Speaker 1:Someday you'll say the word pension, but not now. You're still on paycheck. See, there's a difference. Not yet how many more years you're still on paycheck. See, there's a difference. There's a difference, not yet how many more years.
Speaker 2:You're going to be 60.
Speaker 4:You're going to be 60. I'm going to be 60 in like a little bit more than a month.
Speaker 1:You got to fucking stop. Stop. You got to fucking. Don't go to like everybody else. I know we're not going to talk about your personal. I don't want to be fat.
Speaker 4:I don't want to be fat and dead, you want to be fat, jack.
Speaker 1:Fat and dead, that's how you'll be defined. Oh yeah, jack's that way. He died. Fat Jack, right, not the skinny Jack.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, jack, let me do his eulogy. He was fat.
Speaker 1:This motherfucker, Scott the IT guy. I thought you were Canadian. What the fuck? Are you out of your fucking mind? Do I look like a passive beta male to you? Because all Canadians are beta males?
Speaker 4:Did you?
Speaker 1:Wait a minute.
Speaker 4:When you say beta males, are these like Pathetic people that spend most of? Their time Online Soft men spending most of their time In a basement. Online Just worshipping Comic book characters, video games and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:No, no, there's another name for them, but those are incels. You're talking about incels comic book characters and video games and stuff like that. No, no, there's another name for them, but these, those are incels. You're talking about incels.
Speaker 4:Incels. Yeah, hey, can you do? Can you do me a favor and look behind you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, fucking Iron man is the shit. You know why you don't have one Iron man light up. Turn on, there you go, see that, see light up turn on there you go see that see.
Speaker 1:Wow, you're right that's amazing, yeah, yeah, you wish you had one. I do, I do, and a hulk, a life-size hulk and life-size spider-man. If I had more room, like I know, I got a big house as it is, but if it was bigger I'd have the thing, or I'd have more than just what I have. Yeah, yeah, and my wife loves them too. I'm sure she does. That's really what matters. All right, I'm gonna ask you for a memory from this song. All right, all right, get your shit together. Are you ready? We're moving to a new segment. What memory comes up when I say the Hooters and we danced.
Speaker 4:Live Aid. They were one of the first bands that played. They weren't the first band, but they were on pretty early in the bill and I remember them playing in Philadelphia. It was fucking hot as hell. You know 90, 100,000 people in there. I remember. That's what I remember about the Hooters. What about you?
Speaker 1:The Hooters reminds me of college, reminds me of college. Just that's when it was.
Speaker 4:I mean, yeah, partying, and you know so so you, you probably, you probably have a hundred memories related to this song. But what, what? What memory jumps up in front when I say stairway to heaven?
Speaker 1:Oh, the fucking junior high.
Speaker 4:Yeah, being up in the bleachers with all your buddies.
Speaker 1:Dance. Yeah, and every time I hear a song from Led Zeppelin's first album. Ricky Carlingon's Living Room. Ricky Carlingon's living room Ricky Carlingon's living room we fucking wore the grooves out of that fucking album in his living room, smoking weed, drinking beers on a Wednesday afternoon during the school year. What were we thinking? You know? Today, it's fucking ketamine and Xanax. It's fucking kids. All right, phil Collins, take me home.
Speaker 4:I remember I had the cassette single for that in my 1981 LeBaron Ah Driving back from working at Blanchard's Liquors.
Speaker 1:As we spoke of last week. Yeah, nice, nice, it reminds me of New Jersey. I went to me and this me and this girl that I went to school with went to visit another friend of ours that went to school because, well, the college I went to was 90% girls, so I hung out with basically all girls, which wasn't a problem for me, and we drove to New Jersey. I think she lived in Cherry Hill, new Jersey, and she was a huge Trish Stone. She was a huge Phil Collins fan. Huge Phil Collins fan, phil.
Speaker 4:Collins was huge. I mean, can you imagine Phil Collins, his solo career? He's not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for his individual stuff.
Speaker 1:Well, you weren't on the show at the time, but I know that me, mark and Lou talked about that. How is he not in the Rock and Roll Hall of?
Speaker 4:Fame. It's just crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but Sheryl Crow is my God. Here we go again that. How is it not in the rock and roll hall of fame? It's just crazy. Yeah, but but cheryl crow is my god, here we go again. Well, I, I'm not. I will use these fucking women as carly simon jump off point carly simon. Carly simon, who has like 18 albums and 12 of them greatest hits, albums in different variations, right, yeah, come on, you know yeah, hey all right, motley crew looks that kill ah, so that was, that was early.
Speaker 4:Uh, I think the thing that that that song reminds me of was um second time I saw ozzy os. Motley Crue was the opening act, okay, and that was the song I knew right, but before you knew that song, that's the memory that comes up.
Speaker 1:Does it remind you of any particular person, party place, like I can say? It reminds me of Charlie Horse it reminds me of my basement.
Speaker 1:That song reminds me of the Charlie horse on the Linway, yeah, which was a pool. It was basically a pool hall, a bar. It was a big one, it was a nice pool, well lit. It was a really cool place to drink during the week when you weren't working because you didn't have a job. Well, I'd go over there with Marty Surratt and my brother and we would just shoot people and drink beers.
Speaker 4:Oh my God, marty Surratt.
Speaker 1:Fucking 75 cents a beer or something it was. It was like 8 o'clock on a fucking Tuesday. We're trashed, yeah, because we didn't have to get up for work the next day, because, well, I didn't have a job.
Speaker 4:Yeah, All right, Rap is delight. You know what you just said it the Linway. I remember my father used to drop us off for the afternoon. They, you know when disco was kind of like the big thing. You know, New York had studio 54. The Linway had studio four. Yeah, and we used to, we used to, and they always used to play that and I I also remember that that was another one that was played a lot at the, the junior high dances.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that reminds me of the original fun house with Joe Mack. Marty, they used to have these parties and you know like fucking it was just crazy, marty, they used to have these parties and you know like fucking it was just crazy, and everything would be Led Zeppelin, rolling Stones, fucking Korean. And then this song came on one night Someone had to fucking because it was a full LP, right long play, and the place, it just fucking changed everything. You watched all these white kids literally fucking just go damn. And everybody loved it. Like no, even the metal heads are there. Like you got to love this song, yeah.
Speaker 2:It was so fucking unique. You know what I?
Speaker 1:mean.
Speaker 4:I mean it was, it was infectious. You know what I mean. That that's. It's just great too. All right, one more.
Speaker 1:I'll give me a song. Do you have a song for me? Anything? What about Smells Like Teen Spirit Smells.
Speaker 4:Like Teen.
Speaker 1:Spirit. I was at the first time I remember seeing it or hearing it. I was in Sacramento. I was stationed at Maitre Air Force Base I was still drinking at the time, I believe and there was this bar called Black Angus. It was a restaurant, but at 8 o'clock it turned into a club, like a bar, like a. They would clear the tables out and everything and it came on and yeah, that song. Everybody just went nuts. It was like what the fuck?
Speaker 2:Like the place went nuts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that and Enter Sandman. It's the same place, same memory, you know.
Speaker 2:Very cool man? Now I think yeah.
Speaker 1:All right, one more, one more and we'll wrap it up.
Speaker 4:Cool man now, I think, yeah, all right, one more, one more and we'll wrap it up. Billy idol, sweet 16. Oh I, you know what that, believe it or not. That reminds me of being on the cape drinking too much of Puffer Bellies.
Speaker 1:Oh Jesus, puffer Bellies. Yeah, people have no idea. No, no idea. That reminds me of basic training. Reminds me of basic training, yeah, 1987. Because it came out in 86, I believe it came out in 86, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it just reminds me of basic training because we would go over to the Skylock, which was like a recreational place. If you were old enough and you were off restriction, you could drink there too, and they always had a big jukebox with big speakers. That song just comes to mind, that and Don't dream it's over, just reminded us training yeah, yeah, all right, buddy.
Speaker 1:Well, we wrapped up another one. Good job, fun two hours. It goes by fast, right?
Speaker 4:it's the slowest part of my evening.
Speaker 1:I'm fucking dying to go to bed, but you'll be back next week. Motherfucker, you're in it now.
Speaker 2:Hmm.
Speaker 1:You can't do that to your fans, to my fan.
Speaker 4:You can't do that to your fans, to my fan.
Speaker 1:You can't do that, we'll talk, we'll talk.
Speaker 4:You know, what I can do is, instead of doing the show, I can just call steve romano direct and just get ribbed by him on that one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just that's all throw it all at me. I don't have to do the show anymore anyway. Anyway, well, listen jack, you know. Anyways, no right, right, I would see I, I said it right, you're a good boy, she, she changed me. See if she had an effect on me, that's right. Uh, well again, buddy, thank you for coming on, uh my pleasure. It's always fun, it's uh. We and again, we don't rehearse any of this, this is all just a friendship, a friendship of you know, 40, 40 years. You think?
Speaker 4:45, maybe 45 years, you know?
Speaker 1:hey, you know, we just found another outlet to bullshit with one another yeah, yeah, and you took a long, long vacation, so now you're gonna bring it back yeah, I wouldn't call it a fucking vacation all right, anyway, I'll let you go jack everybody. Thank you for watching. Thanks for your listening. If you like it, share it. If you didn't, well, thanks for watching and listening for an hour and 57 minutes. Hey, what happened to this day in music?
Speaker 2:I know no I didn't do it what happened to this day in music because I want to get you the fuck out of here.
Speaker 1:That's why I sacrifice.
Speaker 4:A staple of the show.
Speaker 1:January 9th, don McLean took a shit. There we go Right to the end. See, he complains but he keeps zinging, doesn't he? All right, everybody, as I always say, doing this show for you, to quote my favorite artist, marcy, the pleasure, the privilege is mine, and well, I know I'll be back next week, jack better fucking be back. I say good night jack, good night jack, I knew it. That's so stupid.