Milk Crates and Turntables. A Music Discussion Podcast
Milk Crates and Turntables is a Music Discussion Podcast. Each week Scott chooses a different music topic and discuss and debate the good, the bad and the ugly side of that particular topic. Maybe you'll agree or maybe you'll disagree. Listen in and find out.
Milk Crates and Turntables. A Music Discussion Podcast
Ep. 173 - Ticket Chaos, and the Hidden World of Library Music
This episode uncovers the fascinating world of library music, a genre that has unknowingly influenced many aspects of our auditory experiences. We discuss its definition, historical context, and the remarkable ways in which it has shaped not just film scores, but has also permeated modern music, finding its way into the works of artists across multiple genres.
• Introduction to the concept of library music
• Jack’s personal anecdotes and concert experiences
• The trend of artists performing entire albums live
• Explanation of library music and its purpose
• Historical relevance and impact on media projects
• Key examples of library music in popular culture
• The crossover of library music into hip-hop and contemporary music
• Listener engagement and viewer comments
• Closing remarks on the significance of library music
Well, here we are, episode 173, and climbing, and on this episode, jack's back as of this intro recording he's 50-50, you never know, but I think he's going to be here and Jack and I are going to talk about a number of things. We have some album covers classic album covers, quirky album covers. I have some music news. I have a genre of music that I want to talk about that I don't know if really many people know about. It's called library music, library music, and it's not what you think. It's actually extremely interesting. So I want to see what Jack thinks about it, what he knows about it, and we'll take it from there. So sit back, relax and enjoy the podcast 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0.
Speaker 2:All engines running Liftoff. We have a liftoff. The KOFB Studio presents Milk Crates and Turntables, a music discussion podcast hosted by Scott McClain. Now let's talk music. Enjoy the show.
Speaker 1:What's up everybody. Welcome to the podcast, welcome to the show, welcome back, my friends, to the show that never ends. We're so glad you could attend. Come inside, come inside. You know the name, I'm not going to say it. We're streaming live right now, over everything, as usual. And as usual, jack. Well, yeah, yeah, this is a thing Like no show. No show, let's see. I'm going to text him right now and see what he says. Uh, you coming on, let's see what he says. Are you gonna see? You know, we'll see what he says. We'll see what he said. You heard the little whoop, so the text has been sent. Let's see what he'll probably say. Oh, I thought it was 7, 30. Well, it's not. That was last week, so having trouble logging in. Well, this is what happens when you try to log in right before the show, like right as the show begins. So let's go here, let's go here, let's see.
Speaker 2:Hey, can you send me the invite again? Oh my God, I keep getting this note. Let me see, hold on, I'm going to send it to you right now.
Speaker 1:Hold on one second.
Speaker 2:It says event not found. Contact your host.
Speaker 1:Well, that's me, that's me, yeah, yeah, well, that's me, that's me, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you are.
Speaker 1:I am. I'm the hostess with the most.
Speaker 2:And thus far you've been very helpful Well before I chastised you.
Speaker 1:I didn't want to. I had to at least check in before I started shredding you. Let's see oh, there you go, john. Right, and I don't need to put a subject there. I'm sending it right now. Wait a minute, there we go. No, let's get. I just did it twice, see. Send you two links. Get rid of that whole thing and paste and send, so you should be getting it in a few seconds. Technology is amazing, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Well, we'll see if it works.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I'm sure it will. I'm sure it will, probably because I picked. So sometimes restream does this. If I use the same, it's like called studio. If I go into the same studio as last week, sometimes the the link doesn't work to that, like it has to be a new link to a new, some kind of there you go let's see, I'm gonna hang up goodbye, so fucking jack again. Doesn't show. Oh, there he is now. Let's see if his microphone works. Now. You see, you blew it by doing this.
Speaker 2:I know, I know, I was like ah, damn, fucking rookie mistake.
Speaker 1:You got to get back in your action.
Speaker 2:You got to get back on track buddy.
Speaker 1:Hey, is that the?
Speaker 2:first time. Is that new? The scrolling thing? Yeah, I added that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you like it, I like it All right. All right, how you doing buddy Good, you like it, I like it All right. All right, how you doing buddy Good? You like my groovy cool coffee mug. Hey, it's a rib. It's ribs with a spine.
Speaker 2:It's ribs with spine.
Speaker 1:With blood all over the cup. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Got it in Salem.
Speaker 1:That's as close to a spine as you'll ever get. Come on, you had to see that coming.
Speaker 2:Do you remember when somebody used to be able to actually see?
Speaker 1:your spine.
Speaker 2:It's in there somewhere. It's in there somewhere, rhino boy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, exactly so. What's the latest and the greatest? What do you got going on?
Speaker 2:Just a little bit of everything man Doing the work thing, mapping stuff out, going to hit the road, still going to a bunch of shows. It just never stops. Actually bought tickets to Patty Smith. Isith is doing um a show at the orpheum theater, the geriatric, the geriatric section of the orpheum theater.
Speaker 1:Come on, man, come on. No, she's still. She's still got a good voice she still has a good matter for her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, some people. Some people would actually say that she's never had a good voice. I don't understand that she had.
Speaker 1:she doesn't have a great voice, like she has say that she's never had a good voice. I don't understand that she doesn't have a great voice.
Speaker 2:She has a unique voice.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:She doesn't have a spectacular voice. She's rich, kind of, and soulful, but here's my gripe about it. So Patti Smith is probably doing what may be her last tour, and it may be because I, patty smith, is 77 wow, 77, wow so so the the shtick, you know the, the angle of this tour and I think it's all sold out everywhere.
Speaker 2:She's playing at the beacon in in uh in new york. She's playing in chicago. She's playing at the orpheum in in boston. Is she's doing the album horses, her debut breakthrough, yeah, landmark punk album album yeah, yeah, but. But here's my thing a lot of bands do this these days.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you don't have to play the whole fucking album, just play the good stuff off of it okay, so I've been saying this for over a decade over a decade now and I I've talked to you about this. Me and phil phil came down here uh, phil kelly flying, phil kelly, um, he came down here and I had come across this. This group called Albums Live and I think I've told you about them. They're a Canadian like group right, group of musicians. That the whole premise of what they do, and if you ever get a chance to see them, look them up and see if they come to your area, because they are amazing.
Speaker 1:The premise is they play live an album and they've done pink floyd, dark side of the moon. They've done prince purple rain, like they do almost every great album from start to finish, note for note. Right on stage now they kind of all dress in black and they don't interact with the crowd during the album. Right, sounds like a lot of fun. It is. I mean, it's amazing watching them. Do you know? Like time on dark side of the moon, or uh, uh, or great gig in the sky. They have this. They always have this fucking amazing singing.
Speaker 1:Now we've all heard that song a million times and you know, subconsciously, note for note, like if they don't hit that that right pitch in that song, which is mine and a lot of other people's actual favorite song on that album, um, and they hit it, they fucking nail it every time and she always gets a fucking standing ovation during the song. It's, they're that good, they're very talented, so and then afterwards they leave and then they come out and they do a greatest hits, like then they're more relaxed with the crowd. Um, then all they caught, they caught fire they. They were in it for like, uh, best new, they're a business like best new business of the year company, like, and they caught a little fire. Then all of a sudden I started noticing after that the bands started doing their albums, start to finish. It's like someone promoter caught on.
Speaker 2:That's a fucking great idea. You think that they were inspired.
Speaker 1:I I never saw I never saw a band do that before. I've never seen them play the album from beginning to end, like, not like bits and pieces. You'll play like you two will play the whole new album or Pearl jam, but they'll pepper it in throughout the show. If there's 12 tracks on there. They'll play like seven of them. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:There may be. There may be some differentiation here, but you know, back back when I used to go see, you know, joe Jackson, every year he would play. He would come on and he would play three or four songs that everybody knew. He would get everybody up dancing and everything like that, and then whatever album he was pushing, he would play it in its entirety. Right, but the the difference is it wasn't a shtick, it wasn't a marketing thing, it was just what he did. Neil Young did the same thing, but strangely enough. So I bought tickets this week again to Patti Smith, and then Deb and I are going to go out to Chicago in August and we're going to see Death Cab for Cutie and they're celebrating the 20thth anniversary of the album plans 20 years.
Speaker 2:Jesus, which is which is. You know it's. It's a good album, but, but here's, here's my thing. I was never a fan, by the way, but you're not a good big fan.
Speaker 1:No, no, but that's. I just never caught on to them. Why do I have two different? Let me see something there.
Speaker 2:I don't know why do you not like them? I mean, I get it.
Speaker 1:This weren't my type of music, probably.
Speaker 2:Not synthy enough, not edgy enough for you, probably a little bit more of an intellectual slant that you just don't get. I get it, you know. Actual slant that you just don't get, I get it, you know. But, but, again, but, but again. My, my point is is that there are so few perfect albums out there. Like deb and I went to the sphere last year to see you two and they did the entire octone baby, and octone baby is a. It's a great record but it's not flawless like this, by no means. There's a. There's a little stretch on side too where it's just like you know, like trying to throw your arms around the world, yeah, like it's not a perfect album.
Speaker 2:No no, no, no, they're, they're, they're not made this band, classic, classic album live.
Speaker 1:They do these great albums, these perfect albums purple rain, uh, the wall. They do the beatles at like, they do a bunch of beatles and they, but the thing is they do it literally. Note for note. There's no deviation, it's not. Yeah, take on it right. And it's it's just amazing to see and hear, right, because bands play their shit the way they want to sometimes and it never really comes out 100% that it does on the album. So that's what makes them unique. But then I started seeing bands doing that start to finish the whole album.
Speaker 1:And it's a great, hey. If they were the ones that had created that jump-off point, then good for them.
Speaker 2:Do you know? What I appreciate about the bands that are doing, hey, we're going to play this album in its entirety, is you do get a sense of what you're walking into? Yeah, and I'll give you a good example. So I don't know, if you were a, were you a ministry fan at all?
Speaker 1:Yes, probably. The album I like the best by them is the land of rape and honey so so what?
Speaker 2:what ministry is doing right now is they're going on tour and they're saying that they're pretty much going to do only songs from the first three records. Okay, now, ministry is a good example of this, because, ministry, their first three records, and then any record after that, are night and day. Yeah, you know, their first albums were kind of record companies.
Speaker 1:Record companies made that like kind of push them in that direction. Al jorgensen didn't want to, really he hated, he really did not like it well, he likes it enough now that he's that he's torn on them. Well, he's making money off them. That's why he does it. Yeah and oh, and, by the way, al jorgensen, welcome back from retirement the third time. Yeah, but hey listen, make that money, buddy, like he's got to be up there in his late 60s.
Speaker 2:You know what I don't know, or?
Speaker 1:maybe mid-60s. When those songs came out in the 80s, was he our age. Do you think he was a little older than us?
Speaker 2:I think he was a little bit older than us, yeah.
Speaker 1:So if I'm what 61, he's got to be 65, maybe.
Speaker 2:Let's see he is 66.
Speaker 1:All right, all right, close enough, yeah, yeah you're in the ballpark jack. I'm sorry todd a big head. Todd the witch rocket just sent me a text. Are you getting? Are you getting the messages like he? Because we didn't acknowledge him. Well, we didn't acknowledge him on the screen for coming on so, todd, because the night great, great song, yeah, okay yeah, see he's started.
Speaker 2:Started, started by one, bruce springsteen, and handed over to patty smith to finish.
Speaker 1:Yeah uh, that, that collect.
Speaker 2:That collaboration, happy, happened because of Jimmy Iovine, who is the engineer on, born to run and then was heavily involved. He may have been the primary producer on horses.
Speaker 1:I believe he was. Yeah, uh, dave Phillips says he's 69. That's great, fucking very proud of you.
Speaker 2:Happy birthday, Davey Phillips he he says I think steely dan did it a few years ago at the orpheum, finishing up with the greatest concert with a greatest concert, maybe great yeah so steely dan has done that over the past number of years where they played three nights or four nights in boston, where they'll do the entire pretzel logic album, the entire asia album, you know the entire. Uh the great, you know the great scam, and then uh, and then they'll do a damn.
Speaker 2:The royal scam. Thank you, thank you, and then they'll do, uh, the greatest hits night, deb, deb and I went last.
Speaker 1:Wait, wait, wait, no, no, no, if that was me no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. What did you just say?
Speaker 1:what was you just say, did? What was the name of that album? See, you would be rubbing my face it was the royal scam, the greatest royal scam. See how nice I am to you. You're fucking see speaking of the great you're a scam. You're a scam you're, you're a fucking scam, scam, remember.
Speaker 2:Remember when that was a big word in winthrop oh, scam, scammer, scammer. That scammer turned to bleed hey, he could be in the jay giles band. He's scammer jammer, yeah. So, anyway, steely dan used to do those albums in its entirety and then they would do a night where they would do their greatest hits. Yeah, deb and I went. Guess guess which night we went? The royal scam, no, no, we went to the greatest hits night oh okay, royal scams a fucking good album it's a great, it's one of their underrated albums. They were massive.
Speaker 1:It's not as good as the Greatest Scamp, but Jesus Christ, hey, I got something here that's pretty interesting. I think you'll enjoy this. So, speaking of Oasis, right, I came across this today. I'm going to put it up on the screen. Wait a minute, here we go. Dave Phillips, king of the 45s, bald on bald battle going on right here. Hey, listen, fucking 69-year-old guy that used to have red hair now has white hair. Don't fucking start with us, we will crush you. King of the 45s.
Speaker 2:Yes, Dave Phillips, you big hairy bastard.
Speaker 1:Dave Phillips, with the fucking Irish name, but claims he's a hundred percent Italian. I don't know how he gets away with that. This is a guy, phillips Phillips. I think that's even English. I don't even think it's fucking Irish right.
Speaker 2:It sounds Scottish to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, he claims like his Italian, like he knows pizza and he knows your pasta and how to make meatballs, like my fucking.
Speaker 2:he has no credibility with the last name, phil, please okay, I'm finally getting this off my chest.
Speaker 1:I love dave phillips, but no, I'm not fucking buying it anymore hey, come to ph Phillips find Italian dining.
Speaker 2:Hello, I'm Dave Phillips. Come on and get some chicken parmesan. We've got the eggplant, we've got the chicken. We've got the meatballs. We've got the chicken, we've got the meatballs. Ah, that's fucking.
Speaker 1:That's exactly right.
Speaker 2:Come on, john, we'd be happy to boil you up some pasta. Oh my god, yeah, because we're good at boiling things, we boil everything.
Speaker 1:We boil our meatballs. We boil everything. We boil our meatballs, we boil everything. He should have a restaurant called the Boiler Room.
Speaker 2:There's nothing like washing down a plate of spaghetti with a Guinness.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a good combination, let's have a nice big plate of linguine extra sauce.
Speaker 2:wash it down with the fucking guinness stone hey, I, you know, look, I I watched every episode of the sopranos. Not once did I say, hey, how you doing? My name is, uh, dave phillips, exactly yeah, I think he's a fraud Again.
Speaker 1:He has no credibility. Big head, todd the wet frog Back off the redhead. Fuck, redheads are fucking weird. Anyways, philippone was changed to Phillips, oh yeah, okay. Okay, okay, here we go. Dave Hill is kicking the 40 miles. He wrote this comment and he spells it F-I-L-i-p-o-n-e right. Philip pony was changed to phillips back in the day. Yeah, and my name used to be macalini.
Speaker 2:I'm from fucking nap, I'm not from fucking naples, my family but they made me a mclean, so you know what, if you hung out and went for a boy with us, your, your nickname would have been Flip Phone.
Speaker 1:Patty Yossi likes red hair. All right, okay, oh hey.
Speaker 2:Well, okay, she's got a Ronald.
Speaker 1:McDonald complex. Little off subject. Yeah, Little off subject. All right, I pulled up this article today. I think you'll find this interesting. Let me put it up on the screen. We're going to read through it and as we go. So Liam Gallagher responds to thousands Did you know about this? Thousands of tickets being canceled. Speaks out on chances of special guests joining the band on stage. So let's uh, let's kind of scroll through this, Let me see. There we go. So Liam Galley has issued a response, Following thousands of tickets, Thousands of tickets To the Oasis reunion shows being cancelled by Ticketmaster and addressed whether the band Will invite any special guests on stage with them. It comes after this past weekend Saw Ticketmaster cancel thousands of tickets to be to the much anticipated reunion shows taking place this summer. And a new crackdown on bots and touts touts in in England as scalpers. The tickets for UK show shows went on sale back in August that I tried to get. I tried, and this might be a good thing that I didn't.
Speaker 2:I was going to say our tickets didn't get canceled because you didn't get any, Despite efforts to prevent touts you know scalpers from reselling them at inflated prices.
Speaker 1:Roughly 50,000 tickets ended up on resale sites. In response, promoters Live Nation and SJM confirmed that all tickets sold via secondary ticket sites other than Twickets would be canceled and made available again through Ticketmaster at face value has gone far from smoothly, with numerous fans taking to social media over the weekend to claim that they have had their tickets wrongfully canceled after they bought them legitimately. And here we go, liam being liam. Now. Liam gallagher has addressed the tumultuous circumstances around the crackdown on tickets and said that there's little he can do to help. He took to x this morning to respond to a fan who reached out to him and asked Liam, what do you think of the ticket situation? Thinking fans are bots and getting their money returned? Responding, the Britpop icon wrote I don't make the rules, we're trying to do the right thing. It is what it is. I'm the singer.
Speaker 2:Get off my case, I love that what the fuck you am I gonna do about this? Do you blame?
Speaker 1:him. Do you blame him? No, no, that's why I'm like like he's like what the fuck do you want me to do about? Like I don't know I don't have control over that. Uh, around the time of the sale, oasis addressed the scramble for tickets, with some going on secondary sites as much as 10,000 pounds, which is about what Jack? $14,000?. I don't know what the current exchange rate is yeah, I think it's about 10,000 pounds.
Speaker 2:I think you're in a safe spot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and reminded fans that those wanting to resell tickets can only do so at face value via Ticketmaster and Twickets. It also came amid a growing discussion about the issue of scalpers, who buy many tickets and sell them for massively inflated prices. This has always been the deal, jack right, this has always been going on.
Speaker 2:So, by the way I just looked it up, $10,000 is actually only $7,958. Oh, wow, wow, that pound dropped.
Speaker 1:well the dollar oh yeah, when are they oh?
Speaker 1:yeah, no, no, the no, the dollar's up yeah, well, there you go uh, it's still a lot of money, uh, with mps going on to announce the introduction of a price cap on resold concert tickets, okay, uh. This was further outlined in a public consultation that was held last month, which explored the measures needed to better protect fans, improve access to live events and support the growth of the uk's world leading live events sector, which now this gets into a whole thing. This is an age-old battle. This is cat and mouse. This is the cat and mouse game. Uh, I, I, I lived it when I worked, uh, canine security at the boston garden. Scalpers are scalpers, you're not, you're never going to stop that. They just will always be around. They'll find their ways to do this, they'll get around it and it's never going away, no matter what you try to do.
Speaker 1:In response to the request from NME, ticket master advised those affected by ticket cancellations to consult the Oasis refunds frequently asked questions page, and they give a link for ticket purchases who believe they have had tickets refunded in error. Okay, where's the flaw here? Where's the flaw? Well, I mean, what's the flaw in that? Let me re-say that Ticketmaster advised those affected I see it immediately by the ticket cancellations to consult the Oasis Refunds Frequently Asked Questions page Quote for ticket purchases who believe they have had tickets refunded in error refer to the email sent by the relevant agent. When informed, a spokesperson said where's the flaw in that?
Speaker 2:well, you're never going to get the same person right. And what are they doing? Refer them, referring them back to the oasis page. Why can't they handle it? Isn't that what they get paid for? I?
Speaker 1:see the flaw, as I, you, I'm a fucking scalper. I'm going to call you and say those were my tickets.
Speaker 2:Of course.
Speaker 1:I would guarantee you.
Speaker 2:I would guarantee you that, that you know a good percentage of the people that are complaining are the ones that are getting screwed. You have to remember and I'm not, I'm not supporting it but there are those people that scalping that's their livelihood. It doesn't, it doesn't matter what market, because of the internet and computers and all all that, scalpers are not scalping tickets in boston, they're scalping tickets in boston and chicago, in new york and san francisco and Texas, in everywhere else. This is a full-time gig for them. So this was indicative of my experience today where I got my death cab for Cutie Tickets. When I jumped online and got in the queue on Ticketmaster, there were 30,000 people in front of me for a venue that holds maybe 5,000. That's insane yeah, that's for a vet for a venue that holds maybe 5 000 that's insane.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 2:Um look even even people that have full-time gigs. This is a part that look, you spend a couple of minutes online, you buy tickets for you know 100 bucks apiece. You put them right on a stub hub for 300. It's.
Speaker 1:It's easy money and and back in the day, these scalpers the boston ones that I knew who, by the way I, I I needed a favor and I needed an extra u2 ticket, and one of the scalpers gave it to me. He's like yeah, have it, I'll you know. And this was back in the 80s, right?
Speaker 1:so is this back when you were working security, yeah, when I was working canine there, yeah, um, so they, they knew who you were, they knew who I was and how I got their attention was I literally. These kids are from dorchester, south boston, charlestown, most of them, right. They didn't have to travel because there was so many events at the Garden. The Celtics were winning championships, the Bruins are the Bruins, right, and you had concerts every fucking weekend in the summer. How many concerts came to Boston in the summer? It was at least one a week, right, or one every 10 days or so it seemed like. But these guys, they were street people, they were street guys. And how I got their attention was I literally bounced a couple of heads off the side of the wall of the Boston Garden Like you'll fucking listen to me, you know we're all cool, but don't fucking test me.
Speaker 2:And back then you could do it without getting sued. Do you remember my favorite famous scalper story? No, remember my my favorite famous scalper story. No, so back in the day before, um you know, ticket master actually even before ticket master in computers, you literally either had to dial in uh or you had to go to the box office and, like you probably did as well I can't remember, I think it may have been Van Halen Me and a couple of buddies of mine went to the Orpheum.
Speaker 1:Well, I never had to go to the box office because you or Gino Catazon, somebody that would always have tickets.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So it must have been a show at the Orpheum, because we went to the Orpheum Theater and for those of you that don't know, the Orpheum Theater is on Hamilton Place in Boston and it's an alleyway, it's a dead end. At the end of the alley is the Orpheum Theater. So we went the night before and we slept out and we were probably fifth or sixth in line and by the time we woke up and tickets were going on sale at 10 o'clock the next morning there were probably 150 people in line. And by the time like we woke up and tickets were going on sale at 10 o'clock the next morning, there were probably 150 people in line. Most of the people were behind us.
Speaker 2:So it's getting close to 10 o'clock, it's like 10 of five of. All of a sudden a van pulls up at the opening of Hamilton Place big white van and a guy gets out of the driver's side with a baseball bat and slides open the side door and, I kid you not, 15 punks from South Boston poured out of that van and pushed everybody out of the line. There you go, they pushed. So they were the first 15 people and this guy just stood there with a baseball bat Like go ahead, just challenge me.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:No cell phones back then. So I found out. So back for a little while I actually worked at a ticket agency. I worked for Boston Ticket. It was a guy by the name of Kevin. I won't say his last name, but kevin was a bookie in and around south boston and he also dealt with tickets on the side and I told him that story. He was like, oh yeah, that was me. I was like, no fucking shit, it was you. I I know it was you, but he was. He was the nicest, calmest, mellowest guy, like complete sociopath. Yeah, like he would kill you and not even think twice about him. I remember he used to come in with a briefcase that was loaded with the tickets that that he would get in just mounds and mounds of cash, yeah, yeah I mean, but you know as as, as as consumers, we, we knew where we were, we knew what was going on.
Speaker 2:We got the fuck out of the way. Go ahead, get your tickets.
Speaker 1:There was no cell phones back then. There was no like somebody call the police. By the time that call happened, you know what I mean and you know the people at the ticket office for the offering they're like. Here we go again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, every show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's probably a don't fucking call the police. You know, when you get to the first kid in line, don't call the fucking police.
Speaker 2:I'll just, I'll never forget the guy just getting out of the van, had the baseball bat by his side, slid the door open. The guy started walking out and he, just, he just yeah tapped it on his hand yeah, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1:I was working the Garden Celtics championship game. It's the finals and so it was the same scalpers. Every event, same scalpers, and there were rules Don't go in the box office, stay out of the box office. Stay off the sidewalk Right, and it was cat and mouse and it was harmless most of the box office. Stay off the sidewalk right, and it was cat and mouse and it was harmless.
Speaker 1:Most of the time, these outsiders show up and they have 10 obstructed view tickets that they're trying to sell and the scalpers this is like a drug dealer calling the police, a drug addict calling the police on a drug dealer, saying they took my money, right, cause one of the scalpers, two of them come up to me and they're like hey, these dudes are selling tickets, right, and we and and and it's not the regular crew. So, all right, all right, I'm a little bit corrupt, I'm going to go kind of tell them you got to leave. And they're like well, what about everyone else? Don't worry about everyone else, you got to leave. And it's two younger kids and they're like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and they kind of disappear. But then they show up again in the scalp. It comes up, says, scotty, they're back again. He's fucking. They were like from.
Speaker 1:I don't really think I had the authority to do that, but I did. And uh, I take the tickets and I get the death threats you're a dead man. Yeah, I've heard that a lot working there. You're dead man, my brother's gonna kill you. I know you work all that shit. All right, they leave. Now I got 10 tickets. It's a celtics championship game, like it's the finals. So I, I uh see one, one of my boys, one of the scalpers name is schnitzer. That was his nickname, schnitzer. I go, schnitzer, I have the tickets. I go get rid of these. For me, literally, dude was gone for three minutes, came back so this is 1986 came back, gave me a hundred bucks cash, boom, right in the boot. Let's go. Good job, little bonus that day.
Speaker 1:You were a bad cop. I was, I was. I learned. I learned what not to do when I became a real cop and that way, like I said, criminals make the best cops. By the way, because you're not getting anything over on me. There's nothing you can get over on me. Um, all right, moving on. So let me see.
Speaker 1:Expert abuse and fraud teams have reviewed all sales and identified any made by bots. I don't know how you do that, but we cannot go into the more detail as we do not want bot using totes to have any further information on the process. Like they can't find out how to do that, I can go on chat GPT and it will tell me how to do that. Chat GPT and it will tell me how to do that. Elsewhere on Twitter this morning, on X this morning, liam Gallagher also addressed another fan question and shared that the band have no intention on bringing out any other artists while they perform. And here's a screenshot. It says morning, liam, will you be having any guests join you on stage for each gig? And he just boldly says none of that nonsense, no he's that nonsense?
Speaker 2:No, he's, he's, he's absolutely right. I have to tell you, I have to tell you if, if they, if, look no disrespect to the other artists, but if I went to Wembley or if I went to MetLife stadium or wherever it is that they're playing, and they were like, oh, we're going to bring out Taylor Swift to sing Champagne Supernova, I'd be fucking pissed. Ah, yeah, and not anything to do with Taylor Swift. But okay, let me even it up. If they were like we're going to bring Eddie Vedder to sing Champagne Supernova, I was like you know what? Tell him to go sit behind stage and have a fucking cocktail. I didn't pay to see Eddie Vedder sing your song. I came here to see.
Speaker 1:I was thinking the same thing, eddie Vedder, I was fucking thinking the same exact thing.
Speaker 2:I came here to see Oasis, so you know, do your thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. The tour kicks off in Cardiff Principality Stadium on July 4th, before heading to Manchester's Heaton Park, london Wembley, edinburgh's Murrayfield Stadium, dublin's Croke Park. Support for the gigs will come from Cast and the Verve. All right, support for the gigs will come from Cast and the Verve's Richard Ashcroft. I was just thinking about him the other day. I wish he would go on tour Over here at least.
Speaker 2:Very, very underrated.
Speaker 1:Ah, fuck, you wish he would go on tour over here at least. Very, very underrated. Ah fuck, he's brilliant, brilliant. Talk about an underrated album. Their album fourth I've said this to you a number of times in the past what a fucking amazing album that is. Yeah, it's f-o-u-r-t-h fourth, and it's the covers, the clouds. It's a fucking great album, man, yeah, uh, after the uk shows, the bands will head abroad for the dates in canada, the us, mexico, south korea, japan, australia, argentina, chile and brazil. Wow, that, that's a, that's a world tour right there, oh yeah it is and it just goes on.
Speaker 1:Uh, so let's see. It says. The long anticipated comeback from the brit pop icons didn't just stir controversy due to touts and bots selling tickets on secondary sites. As the sale went live, both Ticketmaster and the band sparked backlash due to the use of dynamic pricing right, which we had talked about already, where the cost of tickets would increase often by hundreds of dollars without warning, as well as triggering criticism from thousands of fans. It was also debated whether or not the practice could be a breach of the consumer law. I don't know that or no.
Speaker 2:They they were looking into that, but you know you never get answers for that shit like I, I haven't done anything since we we've we've heard stories about different ways of trying to thwart scalpers and legislation, and all that for years and years and years and years. Yeah, so so, todd, todd Sockman is asking when are you two going to go see them? I think I'm going to go see them in New Jersey. I don't think Scott's going to see them at all. We made a bet and he great jelly, he welched.
Speaker 1:Not a stadium. Well, it's a guy welched on the back. Unless we're guaranteed to get up toward the front, I'm not going to sit in fucking. You know row 157 at Giant Stadium, Do I?
Speaker 2:ever, ever, sit that far back. Never. It's going to be a good one.
Speaker 1:It is going to be a good one. It's going to be a tough one. Let me see. Nope, it'll happen, uh. So yeah, that that's what we got on that. That's what we got on that. That that I thought was uh, was pretty, pretty interesting.
Speaker 2:Let me take this down so, hey, we talk about it a lot. Have you looked at? They announced this week the list of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1:Wait a minute.
Speaker 2:Kevin.
Speaker 1:Talent Dookie Kevin Talent Valente's tickets on Canal Street. Yeah, dookie Valente's, oh yeah, valente's. That was Gino Catazon's guy Valente's. Gino Valente, wasn't he a singer too? In the 80s there was Vali's, didn't Gino Valenti? Wasn't he a singer too?
Speaker 2:In the 80s. There was Valenti's, there was Ringside, there was Tyson Right.
Speaker 1:I only knew about Valenti's. That was like the.
Speaker 2:Valenti's was the big place and they had the end. They always had the best seats. Yeah, yeah, I remember being like 14 going in there and saying, um, you know I may have been getting tickets to like the cars. And he was like, yeah, I get you know loges on the far corner and I was like, well, what about those tickets behind you? He's like never mind those tickets back there.
Speaker 1:You little punk all right, so I sent you a text today. I sent you a text today and all I said was library music oh, yeah, and you were like that is.
Speaker 1:You were like what? And I was like it's amazing, right, I just stumbled into this. It's been around us our entire lives, right? And we and we never fucking knew it. And I'm gonna give you proof positive that this shit has been around.
Speaker 1:But first of all, to let people know, library music isn't music that you buy or you listen to in a library. Library music is also known as and I'm going to give you the proper answer also known as production music or stock music, refers to pre-recorded music that is made available for licensing and use in various media projects. This music is typically typically created for specific purposes, such as background scores for films, television shows, advertisements, video games and other multimedia productions. Library music is produced by composers and musicians who create a wide range of musical styles and genres, allowing filmmakers and content creators to find suitable tracks without the need for custom compositions. These tracks are often cataloged in libraries, where users can search for and license the music they need, usually for a fee and it was a small fee, right, stick? I know you're fucking, but I gotta get this across to you because it's amazing.
Speaker 2:One of the I know you're trying, I know I know you're trying to show people that you can actually read but I'm a good reader.
Speaker 1:Uh, one of the key benefits of library music is its affordability and accessibility, making it a popular choice for independent filmmakers, right, and content creators. Now, library music kind of got discovered by hip-hop artists like mf doom used it, naz used it. Then you get into like tame and pala, like you started hearing these tracks. So what, what they would do is you can search through these catalogs, these albums, and say, and there might be one good song off the whole thing, right, it's not soundtrack music. Soundtrack music is created for a specific scene in a movie and it's a mood thing. This was like pornos had this chicka, wah, wah. That was all library music right Now. With that said, this is a perfect example of library music and you're going to be I think you're going to be a little bit shocked at this one. This is let me pull it up, I got it over here. There we go.
Speaker 1:The first one tell me where you've heard this library music. Now the the thing is these people that made this music, these musicians. Now, in england, back in the day it was the golden age of it was the 60s, 70s and 80s but in england the music, the music. Like fucking union. They forbade musicians from doing this music because it was a one shot and anybody can buy it. Anybody can use it, whereas they wanted musicians to get paid for each and everything they did and each and everything that got used. So they would kind of go over to Germany or France and record this music and Tell me where you've heard this before. Where have you heard that?
Speaker 1:It does sound familiar to me, but it Now these songs.
Speaker 2:Almost every horror movie that we've ever seen.
Speaker 1:You're going to be surprised, and then it's going to click. Now, all of these songs are usually between one minute and three minutes long. That was a show, one. That one is called Scorpio's view from dirty harry oh yeah from dirty harry, let's play it again.
Speaker 1:All right, then it's gonna connect you see scorpio's strange looking face and he's got his sniper rifle and he sees the girl in the pool. Right, right, that's fucking library music. That was not like they bought this shit. Right, like I'm paying a fee to put this in. Fucking Dirty Harry Right. Fucking Dirty Harry, right. The second one it's amazing that we, we grew up. This is an absolute part of everybody that's listening. That's a boomer. It's an absolute part of everybody's fucking childhood and as soon as I play it, I'm not a boomer, you're a fucking Gen Xer.
Speaker 1:It doesn't matter, you're borderline. You've been around enough. Check this out. This is library music Coming attractions, coming attractions. Right, and the kaleidoscope comes up on the screen. Get your popcorn.
Speaker 2:So can I ask you a question? Yeah, when you stumbled upon this, were you able to organically make the connection to Dirty Harry in the Coming Attractions, or did you read it?
Speaker 1:No, I heard it, heard it. I went wait a minute, that's fucking dirt. And then I, I, I went on, uh, I went on, uh, spotify it's because then now, like I told you last week, I do these fucking deep dives. I hear something on a youtube video even if it's a clip of something, now I gotta go find it and it usually brings me down rabbit holes. I heard that and I was like, oh, that's fucking library music, like what? Oh my god. Then there's this one, maybe the biggest one of them all I cannot wait to be retired, maybe I can spend my day the most popular this could in america.
Speaker 1:In america, this might be the absolute most popular, hey.
Speaker 2:Susan Haskell joined us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, hey, susan, all right, you ready for this one Library music?
Speaker 2:Library music oh Yep.
Speaker 1:All right, all right, that's that's like. I think the guy's name is like fucking leo, leo or fucking epstein or something. In his band it's called score the score that's the name of the song. Right, and then you go, you listen into the shit. It ranges from disco to like. Some of these, uh, these, these, these people that did this were some of the earliest uh users of synthesizers see, I knew, I knew, that's why you like this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cynthia lawpress strikes again yeah, so this one is called relaxed scene. Now, a thing is, if you're, if you're an editor, if you're like a, a production guy with a movie and you hear a song, you look at a song, you're like relaxed scene and I'm gonna listen to it and all of a sudden it changes. They said these people would lose their minds. It has to be consistent all the way through. Let's see, right, and that that's not not anything in particular. I'm just giving you a random song. This one is called Drug Song, drug Song. So if you're making a movie, right, right, 60s shit and 70s shit right here, yep, yep. 60's shit and 70's shit right here, yep, yep. Girl in a sports car, girl in a sports car. Now picture a girl driving In a convertible sports car. Yeah right, this is like a commercial song definitely 70s right.
Speaker 1:They interviewed one of these old guy, old guy, and they asked him so what do you think of, like, all these hip-hop artists using your songs? They only pay like a small fee for it, but they make all this money. And the guy says, well, that's what it was made for, because I don't really care if they say fuck you in the song. That's what it was made for. It was made for them to buy it, pay your fee and move on. So that's such a that must be such a freeing thing for an artist to say. This is why I made this. I'm not gonna get all fucking bent out of shape because naz used, who's one of the biggest rappers in the world, used library music for one of his biggest hits you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:It's all good man yeah, I'm like.
Speaker 1:I'm like like so naz did this song which is now it's a whole different ball game. It's this this is Nas. Right, tell me where this song came. Now, this is the difference between library music and sampling. Get, get get down, right, james Brown, love it, love it. Right, james brown, love it, love it.
Speaker 2:Yep, I mean, that's someone, that's one of the new york streets will kill us a walk like pistol p and pappy mason yeah, I could listen to the whole song.
Speaker 1:I know people like the rap shit oh, come on, it's great.
Speaker 2:That's a good, it's a great song. Naz's a good, it's a great.
Speaker 1:Nas does a good job with that right. Um, great, great song, oh, absolutely. And then you got, uh, let's see, let's see, uh, there you go. Now, this is, this is, this is ice tea. That was naz, but this was ice tea in the 80s.
Speaker 2:Right, he pulled the same thing this is it dope from the fly kid. The ice mic is back with the high bits.
Speaker 1:I fucking love that shit. Love that shit, yeah. So like that's, that's sampling. But the other stuff, like jack, you could go in and fucking pay a small fee for a library tune. And so that's where they said, like tame and paula, uh, there's this guy, mac demarco and all these bands, sure, yeah. So you start listening to the music and you're like that's, now that you're aware of library music, I really want you to go check it out. It's. It's so fucking interesting, man, and some of the shit is fucking good. Like these songs are good, they're not crap, like they're very well produced.
Speaker 2:The the songs that are in there, the library tunes, right, they're not just the little clips that you get, they're full well produced the the songs that are in there, the library tunes, right, they're not just the little clips that you get, they're full songs.
Speaker 1:They can go from one minute to three minutes, that's the thing with them. They can go from one, three, one minute to three minutes. Um, and there was three major like companies that did it and you know, like soul impressions, this one's called soul impressions, it's just street girl, that's a jam. Peter Reno did this Right.
Speaker 2:I would imagine, I would imagine that the musicians that did these they must have had a ball with these Like no pressure to like Really finish a song.
Speaker 1:Not. Well, that was the thing they had to because, again, these, these people that would come in from the movies, that are the commercial people or the porno people, they would go skimming through all this shit and sometimes you might find one diamond in the rough on a whole album, sure, and they that's why they call them a library of albums. You had to really do some fucking crate digging to find something really good. This is like a lot of listening. A lot of work goes into find that right fucking song. Right, because if you're doing it, you hear this song. You're like that's great, but there's got to be another one, and there can be thousands of fucking tracks that you have to seek through. You know, but I became fascinated with it. I created a whole playlist of just library songs.
Speaker 1:This is the shit that you find Like. This is why I do these deep dives and I'll go on YouTube and YouTube is a. It's a plethora of fucking great music information. If you really look like there's some popular ones that we watch, that storytellers, and you know, like the guy that plays the guitar with the gray hair, he's got a fucking million followers or whatever, and I forget his name. You've probably seen his videos. But this dude that I found is this kind of offbeat dude with his channel, isn't really that big, and then I go and I go to the channel and I look at all the fucking videos that he's done and it's some kind of offbeat shit, right? So then what I do is I go into, uh, uh, I go into the, the, the, the Spotify recommendations, right. So from so, from that, I found this band.
Speaker 1:It's a girl, actually, it's a single girl, and she puts all this shit together and her name is she goes by Men. I Trust pretty little blonde girl. And this song show me how. I heard a fucking little clip and she is one of these people that is in that genre of library music. So check out this song. This song is called show me how I like this, right, it's fucking. And then I listen to all her shit. I like it, and I start listening to all her shit and I start picking it out. Show me how it's fucking smooth right.
Speaker 2:This is great.
Speaker 1:And the name is Men I Trust that's what she goes by. Tell me how it Fucking nice right.
Speaker 2:Very nice, I like this and then.
Speaker 1:I get this Caramel C-A-R-A-M-L.
Speaker 2:But are you telling me that, like, we both like this, right yeah, is there an album of this stuff, or is it just in the library?
Speaker 1:So these are artists that were influenced by library music. So if you hear these songs, a lot of songs have that influence in it, like Tame Impala has all that kind of library music.
Speaker 2:I like Tame Impala.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely, like. Tame impala has all that kind of library music. Yeah, absolutely they. They were like he was big in the 2010s, you know, into the 20 teens um, still around, still making music, uh. But this is shit that was influenced by library music. That's why you hear those the same like if you take the vocals out and you take a 30 second clip or a one minute clip out of some of these songs.
Speaker 2:It's fucking library music have you ever heard of the band crowing bin? What are they called crewing bin? How do you spell it? K-h-r-u-a-n-g-b-i-n? A N G B I N.
Speaker 1:Whoa, whoa, uh, here we go, artist, I'm gonna go with their most Downloaded song. This one is 300. Oh yeah, texas Sun.
Speaker 2:Well, don't play that one, cause that one's got vocals.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's why I'm like Krongman.
Speaker 2:Go to the next song Mariella, try that one. Yeah, that's why I'm like Krongman. Go to the next song, mariella, try that one.
Speaker 1:And play that for our three fans that are watching our show. I love Texas Sun. I love that fucking song.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Texas Sun is great.
Speaker 1:I love that song. There we go. Love this shit, yeah, no, I love this shit. Yeah. No, I love this shit yeah.
Speaker 2:Deb and I are going to see them up in Portland, are you really?
Speaker 1:Yeah, See, no one ever comes down to fucking South Florida. I would love to see them. But this is the song right here. This is a great song. It's just so fucking atmospheric and moody and it really kind of puts you in a and you know I love the reverb. You know I love reverb. It's called Texas.
Speaker 2:Sun right, so I don't know if it's anywhere near you, but they're playing St Augustine, April 16th.
Speaker 1:That's where we all me and Dr Vera love St Augustine. It's an amphitheater. It's like an amphitheater.
Speaker 2:Krungbin is playing the St Augustine Amphitheater on April 16th, all right. They're also playing April 18th at the Baycare Sound and then they're also playing in Clearwater. So they're there a couple of nights, all right, let me see Krungbin. Hey, by the way, for those of you that are in Winthrop, they are playing Suffolk Downs june 27th.
Speaker 1:That's interesting, they're playing where in suffolk downs. So there's a place called the stage at suffolk downs, oh, oh, you know what I remember like I think it was last summer. I heard heard people fucking complaining because there was evidently a rave thing going on over there, and people in Winthrop that were our age were like I can hear the music all the way here. It's shit music. And I commented in Of course it was a Facebook thing, I'm like. So you're telling me you never went to a fucking house party in Winthrop where they were cranking Led Zeppelin on fucking clip speakers with a Marantz receiver in somebody's backyard and the fucking neighbors must have lost their mind. But you liked it then, didn't you asshole?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so over there at 90 Circuit Road, yeah, 130.
Speaker 1:Locust Way.
Speaker 1:Right 130 Locust Way. Let me see, I just had something I'm looking at. I found this dude too. Let me see. Cancel over here. Listen to this. This is a fucking jam right here. This is called Kid Loco. Kid Loco, a grand love theme. This is like fucking 49 fucking years old. This is fucking library music. How fucking smooth is this? It's awesome. Kid Loco, a grand love theme. This is the shit I stumble on. It's like fucking like finding gold and it's just a slow build through the song and every once in a while it drops in random lyrics in the background, type thing. Let me see Patty likes it. Yeah, patty remembers that whole thing in Winthrop. I'm all complaining.
Speaker 2:This is like good make love music, or at least the very beginning is.
Speaker 1:It builds, it, builds, it builds to a whole thing.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, that's not what I'm alluding to. Oh, some of us don't get to the latter part of the song.
Speaker 1:Of course, of course, you don't, of course you don't. Some people get to the middle of the song then all of a sudden the song dies on them and they got to start the song over again, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:They spend the rest of the song apologizing Ha ha, ha Ha ha ha Ah.
Speaker 1:Can we just listen to the rest of the song? Ha ha ha Ah, ha, ha, ha, ha Ha ha. The song's only two minutes long. What the fuck dude?
Speaker 1:but this is nice right very nice yeah it's not about getting drunk, only it's the only groove with a very keen sense of how very, very short life is. Just a smooth beat man, smooth song, good driving music, that's good driving music. You want to sit in traffic? Then that'll bring you down All the shit we just played it all kind of calmed, you bring you down Very nice. Big Head, todd the Wet Sprocket, says good show. Gentlemen, good to see you, jack, of course.
Speaker 2:See that he's bailing.
Speaker 1:He's driving home. That's why he probably just got home from work.
Speaker 2:I get news for you I get a bail soon as well.
Speaker 1:We hit an hour. I just looked at that. This was a good show, buddy. I think we covered some shit that we didn't expect.
Speaker 2:Hey, you keep going if you have to do this day in music or whatever other horseshit. No, no, no I don't do that anymore.
Speaker 1:I've been through you know what. I started fucking after four years. I started repeating days, oh really days. Oh really I noticed that I started reading the fucking like. I've read this before. It's kind of weird.
Speaker 2:So I was like all right, you know because well. So so what is this? What is this? Three shows, or four shows that we've been talking about famous album covers and we still haven't gotten to it yet no, but that's the beauty of it we are.
Speaker 1:That means we have a lot to talk about I'll see you next week, we'll get to it, we'll get to it, we'll get to it, and I'll have another article, and you know, and we can kind of kick that shit around, you know, because the article always sparks good talk.
Speaker 2:I'm going to go downstairs and snuggle my wife and listen to two minutes of live.
Speaker 1:Go listen to two minutes of Kid Loco or Men. I Hate. Check her out, though I hate. All right, jack. Well, the show, get off the show. Tell them I said hello, you got all right, buddy, I'll talk to you. Well, there you go. There you have it. That's the show. It was a good show. Let me. Let me bring on kid loco again. I like that shit. Like that. This will be my outro music. Bye, everybody. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. If you liked it, shared it. If you didn't like it, well, thanks for watching for one hour, listening for one hour and five minutes. Uh, patty, yossi got great show. We learn something new every day. Love it. Thanks, scott jack. Thank you, patty, we love you.
Speaker 1:Our longest lasting fan, big head taught the wet sprocket thinks he is, but Patty, you are the queen of milk crates and turntables. Dave Phillips is not the king, he's the prince of milk crates because he misses it sometimes. And while Big Head Todd the Wet Sprocket, he's the jester, he's the court jester for this wonderful podcast going on four years, I think. Yeah, four years we've been doing this. That's a lot. It's not going anywhere soon. Joanne Doyle, joanne Kozborski, she dropped something in a picture, a beautiful picture with hearts on it, and I didn't get to it because we were doing something else.
Speaker 1:If I didn't get to your comments, I apologize and with that, you know, sometimes I leave this show and I'm really in a like. I'm always in a good mood Because this is my church. Like I said, this is what I. I love this. I love doing this once a week. It really is therapeutic for me and it's. You know, I'm not going to get all like sensitive and shit, but I really do love doing this, which is why I will not stop. I'll be doing this when I'm 71. Unless something happens, god forbid. I just love doing this. So, yeah, thanks for sitting in on my therapy. And sometimes, like I was saying, I leave one of these shows like I'm always happy, but sometimes I I'm like that was a really good fucking show. And I think this was a really good fucking show.
Speaker 1:It was informative. We learned a lot about, you know, library music. Go look it up. Library music's pretty fucking interesting. There's a lot of shit in there, but you find some of these really cool tunes and usually no one's singing. So and next week maybe we'll get to album covers I don't know a lot of shit in there, but you find some of these really cool tunes and usually no one's singing. And next week maybe we'll get to album covers. I don't know, we'll see. But until then, as I always say, doing this show for you, to quote my favorite artist, morrissey, well, the pleasure, the privilege is mine and I will see you guys next week.