Milk Crates and Turntables. A Music Discussion Podcast
Milk Crates and Turntables is a Music Discussion Podcast. Each week Scott chooses a different music topic and discuss and debate the good, the bad and the ugly side of that particular topic. Maybe you'll agree or maybe you'll disagree. Listen in and find out.
Milk Crates and Turntables. A Music Discussion Podcast
Ep. 179 The Disintegration of Classic Rock Icons
I'm going to start this again. You can hear me, everybody can hear me now. Good, all right, let's try this one more time. Welcome to the podcast. You know the name. I'm not going to say I'm streaming live right now and everybody can hear me. See, this is going to have to be edited for the audio podcast. As good as you get Bob Ducetti. He's active tonight. Tonight there's no Jack, of course, of course there's no Jack. He'll be here next week, though. He said tonight's some music news, interesting stories. Let's see how it goes. We'll kill an hour.
Scott McLean:By the way, this is not my music. This is from a group called pigs, pigs, pigs, pigs, pigs, pigs, pigs, or some people say pigs times seven, and the name of the song is G&T. Go download it. Yeah, yeah, all right. This is probably. Facebook is probably going to lock this one up. I don't know why. I got some work to do on my other Facebook page, but yeah.
Scott McLean:So how's everybody doing tonight? Everyone, good, let me get some iced coffee, some turbo. That's always a good way to start the show. Keep that little noise in the background and let's get right into some music news. Let me kill this up here. Let me kill this up here Again, like I said, no, jack. So what's new? What's new? He's at a block party tonight on his street.
Scott McLean:Yes, let me pull this one. This article it's not an exciting article. I just have questions about it. Let me go over here. Let me pull it up over here. I just have questions and you'll probably know. You might agree with me or you might not.
Scott McLean:All right, actually, let me go over here. Let me get this picture a little. Let me see, is this better? No, it's down. How about if I switch it? No, I don't like that one. Let's, how about about this angle? That's what I had before. Yeah, all right, and I can see the. Let's see. Let's get the chat. Does that take up the space on the screen? I wonder, I don't know. I think you'll be able to see it though.
Scott McLean:Dave Phillips, king of the 45s, welcome to the podcast. Do I keep it like this, to see it though? Dave Phillips, king of the 45s, welcome to the podcast. Do I keep it like this? I can see your comments. So what do you think Somebody comment in? Does the screen look better? We'll call this view number one, or do you like it better? View number two? Tell me what you think.
Scott McLean:First answer wins, first answer wins, first answer wins. Oh, adam, the King of Delray Beach just commented in. Adam Nelson, king of Delray Beach. Oh, big Head, todd the Wet Sprocket, beautiful, great Crap. I can hear you. I can hear you now. I liked it better when you were muted. I'm here entertaining me. The King of Delray Beach, adam Nelson, likes this view better.
Scott McLean:Alright, I can still read the comments. You just can't see your own comments. Blame it on Adam Nelson, don't blame it on me. So anyway, this is questionable, this article to me. So.
Scott McLean:Legendary classic rock star, 78, involved in a serious crash after farewell concert. Legendary classic rock star Okay, that's where my question lies 78. As the story goes, former REO Speedwagon lead vocalist. Now, if you follow REO Speedwagon right, you know what's. Kevin Cronin is the lead singer. No, no. Former REO Speedwagon lead vocalist, terry Luttrell, 78, was involved in a serious car crash after the legendary classic rock band's farewell concert. I don't know who the fuck Terry Luttrell is Like. That's not the REO Speedwagon I grew up with.
Scott McLean:On Sunday June 15th, luttrell fell asleep while driving in Champaign-Urbana, illinois, just one day after his band played a show at State Farm Center. He told the News Gazette. I was able to get up and get out of the car, the singer told the publication. Unfortunately, luttrell didn't walk away without any injuries noting. The airbag went off and cracked my sternum a little bit. Is a cracked sternum like a little bit? Is that like a little bit pregnant? Is that like you're a little bit of an asshole? I don't know. It's fucking cracked sternum. Okay, he wants to downplay it? Good fam, I have a little back pain and neck pain and a fucking cracked sternum. He told the Newsday Gazette from Kyle Foundation Hospital. He's in the hospital. It's nothing that I can't overcome. Yeah, you're fine. His vehicle didn't fare quite as well in the crash. Who gives a shit about the car, right? He nodded off the car rolled, woke up in a cocoon of airbags. Unfortunately, the totaled car. That which doesn't fucking mean anything in the story. Why would they even throw that in there? Now, this is where I'm at here.
Scott McLean:On Saturday, june 14th, current and former members of RSB Wagon came together for a retrospective concert. Participating performers included co-founder and keyboardist Neil Dowdy, co-founder and drummer Alan Gratzer, bassist Bruce Hall, vocalist Mike Murphy and guitarist Steve Caffina In addition to Latrell. Per the Ultimate Clouser Rock vocalist Kevin Cronina. In addition to Latrell per, the Ultimate Cluster Rock Vocalist, kevin Cronin did not participate.
Scott McLean:Now you tell me, you tell me, is REO Speedwagon REO Speedwagon without Kevin Cronin, right? I don't know. No, it's not. It not, it is not so I don't even know. That's why I wanted to read this article. That's total bullshit.
Scott McLean:He's the voice, the voice and I've discussed this in the past on podcasts that sometimes the voice of the band is the band. Hence why journey went out and got singers that sounded like steve perry. They got it. Right now, I don't know if this guy sounded like kevin cronin or not, but they were not like. When he left they, they faded, they, they were gone, they were done. They get a lead singer and you get these bands that like to go out and then they're making money. They're making money.
Scott McLean:There's fans that don't really pay attention. Maybe they're not as into it, as deep as as most of us are uh, that listen to this podcast or watch the live stream, but I, I would not consider that guy the lead singer and like, like, uh, dave phillips, king of the 45, said when was reo speed wagon a rock band like? When was REO Speedwagon a rock band Like? Wouldn't you just say they're a pop band? I guess rock, I guess classic rock, I don't know, I don't know. That's the question, right? Dave Phillips, king of the 45s, let's see Bob Doucette.
Scott McLean:To me Van Halen was not Van Halen. After David Lee Roth, I, you know what I was of that mindset for decades until I really started to appreciate Sammy Hagar as the lead singer. Uh, I, I've sensed. I wouldn't say decades. Well, let me 80s, 90s, 2000, yeah, okay, uh, I, I didn't mind some of the songs of Sammy Hagar, but I was on team Diamond, dave, and well, I started listening a little more to the music of Van Hagar and they were a much better band. They just were.
Scott McLean:David Lee Roth was great when I was a testosterone drivendriven 18-year-old boy. You know, growing up in Winthrop, which could be sometimes a little bit of a violent situation, there's fights, there's, you know kids weren't pussies in Winthrop or somewhere. But you know you get all that going for you. So Van Halen's a blood pumping music back. And then, to add the icing on the cake, and then I started paying attention to David, david Lee Roth, and he's a fucking asshole, total douche, total douche. So he was great for what he was and then he wasn't. So that's how I look at Van Halen. I give Van Halen with Sammy Hagar, I give them the the win on more polished, better.
Scott McLean:I don't know now, you know what I might be talking myself into a corner so. So I'm just going to quit that one right there. That's a topic for another time. That's a topic to argue with Jack on. All right, let's get rid of this. Let's pull up another one. Let me dump that. Yeah, there we go. There's some comments up there. Let me go over here, pull this up. Let's's see what do we got next? All right, there we go. Next article I just want to be a woman, a little Portishead in the background, all right. So the headline on this one is Ronnie heard that and he didn't really like it. It was a quote.
Scott McLean:Tony Iommi says Led Zeppelin's John Bonham meant to compliment Black Sabbath's Ronnie James Dio. It didn't go well. So the Sabbath guitarist found himself at the center of a dispute after the drummer's comments were taken the wrong way. The end of the classic Black Sabbath lineup was difficult for all involved. Left without the band Ozzy Osbourne had to build in Ukraine, he went on to far exceed the existing. This is my commentary. He went on to far exceed the existing Black Sabbath.
Scott McLean:As for Tony Iommi and the rest of Sabbath, they were left rudderless as they searched for a singer, and we all know that. You know, ozzy got Randy Rhoades and Black Sabbath got Ronnie James Dio. I give the edge to Ozzy on that one. Doc Sabbath got Ronnie James Dio. I give the edge to Ozzy on that one. So they met at the Rainbow Bar, la's Rainbow Bar, I guess, as they say, as a serendipitous meetup. La's Rainbow Bar brought them together.
Scott McLean:Iommi and Dio forged an instant musical connection. I never take anything away from Ronnie James Dio. He's been around. The guy was around from the 50s. Fucking guy was in the 50s, right, the first jam session. They wrote Children of the Sea, one of the key tracks from 1980s, heaven and Hell. Let's have this first album without Osbourne, I tell you. I told you the black and blue tour I talk about it every once in a while. Fuck that thing. That's garbage, that was fucking garbage. Um, led zeppelin's drummer. Let's get right to the point, led zeppelin drummer.
Scott McLean:John bonham, who was iomi's best man when he married susan snowden in 1973, was one of many fans impressed by what Dio brought to the band Meh. However, his habit of straight talking caused him to put his foot in his mouth when he intended to flatter Dio. It was left to Iommi to prevent the diminutive Dio from tearing into much larger Bonham. I see that Now tear into him, meaning verbally or physically. I couldn't see Ronnie Jay's knee was five foot four Fucking five foot four.
Scott McLean:What was Barnum? Barnum was like six feet Dude, weighed about a couple hundred pounds. Nah, he's a fucking raging madman. Nah, okay, yeah, there was some kind of a word. What did he say? Yeah, there was some kind of a word. I only admitted when asked about the kerfuffle. Who puts kerfuffle in their fucking article? That's a question. Kerfuffle, the fuck.
Scott McLean:While being interviewed by Bill Burr in 2011, john came to the gig when we played at the Hammersmith in London and we were going to go out after the show to a bar. According to a Black Sabbath fan site, the band played four consecutive nights at London's. What the fuck? What just happened? London's Hammersmith Odin between May 7th and how did they? Did they just jump the article? Barnum attended, but it was not in the English capital that his remarks were taken in the wrong light.
Scott McLean:They're dragging this article on John's drinking on the side of the stage, drinking Guinness, tony Iommi says, coloring the scene. We came off stage and as we walked past John John said to me oh man, he's got a great voice for a midget. Yeah, that's great. That's great. Well, I mean, listen, if Ronnie James Dio, oh Jesus, adam Nelson, king of Delray Beach, the people that use kerfuffle in their article are the same ones that carry umbrellas for shade, I'll give you that. Now, if Ronnie James Dio is 5'4", he probably never grew after the age of 21,. Right, and he has, like you, put yourself in the limelight. You're going to get what you fucking get. Like, are you a sensitive guy? Like, are you sensitive? Like, oh, don't call me short, because I'm fucking short. Like, I don't get it.
Scott McLean:Of course, ronnie popped up and I won't repeat what he said. They were gonna fight and I'm sure Bonham was fucking laughing his ass off. Suddenly, iommi found himself in the center of the ruckus. I like the word ruckus, I like ruckus. Ruckus is way better than kerfuffle. Kerfuffle just sounds like soft Getting the ruckus and astutely defused the situation by telling the pair to just get along.
Scott McLean:Eloquently put, tragically, bonham would pass just months later and Dio had a fucking party. I'm sure a fuck you party. It serves you, right, motherfucker, for calling me a midget party. It's a fucking die, motherfucker die party. That's what Dio did. That's what I would have done if I was a sensitive guy about being 5'4". I'd have a good you're dead party. There we go. Oh, once again.
Scott McLean:Black Sabbath is set for one last hurrah. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's never one last hurrah with these fucking bands. That's it Now. Ozzy is fucking Ozzy's one foot in the grave. So he's definitely this last thing he's doing, he's done, but that's about it.
Scott McLean:All right, let's see what do we got next? Let me jump to the. Let me see what the comments are Anything there and where to them. Let me see what the comments are anything there. And wear socks with sand. Let me see. Uh, oh, oh, okay. So big head todd the wet sprocket decides to jump in. Uh, after adam nelson king and delray b says that the people that used to fuffle in the article, the same people use carry shade and brothers, big head todd the wet sprocket has to jump in and say and wear socks with sandals.
Scott McLean:I wear socks and flops. I don't know the sandals thing is, I wear socks and flops. I don't know what the sandals thing is. I wear socks and flops, so what? So what? I'm cool, like that, I can pull it off. Big head, todd the White Sprocket, red headed old Arnold Schwarzenegger old Arnold Schwarzenegger, he can't. Red heads can't pull anything off. They don't have the brains, alright, anyway.
Scott McLean:Anyway, let's go with the next story. Let's see what we got. Get rid of that. Let's see what story are we going to pull up. Oh, I haven't pulled one up yet, so let me cancel this. Let me go over here, let's talk. I got a couple of good ones that I want to talk about. I can fucking do this. All right, that one's kind of soft. Oh, this motherfucker, okay, this fucking guy Over here. Get rid of that. There we go. So the headline of this story is I grew up in the greatest time in the history of mankind to be a musician, but now the deck is heavily stacked against old farts like myself. Whoever uses that fucking term is an asshole. I'm an old fart. What the fuck?
Scott McLean:It's the classic rock singer exiled by his old band after writing their biggest hits. This dude is not a motherfucking classic rock singer. I'll tell you that. He's a pop star. He's a pop rock guy. He's not, but I guess they play it on the radio. So all right, here we go. It was Dennis DeYoung, and you know what I think. If you've listened to the podcast you know what I think about this guy. You know I don't, I fucking don't even like Styx, let alone this guy. This guy was why I don't like Styx. It was Dennis DeYoung who wrote and sang the hit songs that made Chicago rock style rock band Styx a multi-million selling phenomenon in the 70s and early 80s.
Scott McLean:His winning way with a piano-led power ballad had him nicknamed the Manilow of Metal. What, what the fuck? Metal Sticks that's like Jethro Tull being winning metal band of the year Sticks. The Manilow. Who called him the Manilow of Metal? They're the fucking Manilow of morons. That's what I say. All right, called him the Manilow of metal. They're the fucking Manilow of morons. Tonight's day, all right.
Scott McLean:Oh, dave Phillips, king of the 45s, don't start on redheads. Well, I'm sorry to say that the both of you are grayheads now. So Dave Phillips, king of the 45s, a big head, todd Wittsburg. Both of you are gray heads now. So Dave Phillips, king of the 45, is a big head. Todd, the wet spark in both gray heads now. So, but you still fucking weird like redheads. That never goes away, all right.
Scott McLean:Anyways, his winning way with the piano led power battle and the panel of morons, the young song lady, okay, lady was great when I was in fucking junior high and then maybe into high school. But Come Sail Away, nah. The Best of Times, nah. All Made US Top 10, while 79 Track Babe went to number one. Yeah, they were good for their time, alright, but after a couple of breakups and reunions, de young left sticks in 1999, never to return.
Scott McLean:That evidently had something to do with he wanted. This is the dude, and you've heard me say it a million times if you listen to the podcast. He's the fucking guy that wanted to turn it into like this, this rock opera like fucking play. Everything had to be a big production instead of just getting in and playing fucking music. He wanted it all to be a product. I've seen him like in videos where he's got on this fucking like the guy that leads the circus, the fucking. He's got on a tux like red. I don't know, it's fucking ridiculous. And he also stole Mr Roboto from Black Sabbath's Iron man. Anyway, in 2021, deyoung spoke to Classic Rock about those great songs and his desire to rejoin Styx and explained why, at the age of 74, his solo album 26 East, vol 2, was his last act as a recording artist. Maybe because no one Bought the fucking thing. Maybe Just might be, could be. Uh, wait a minute.
Scott McLean:Paul DeCiano. Chicago was a good all around band, but not phenomenal. What are we talking? Why are you talking about Chicago? We're talking about Styx. This is I love Paul DeSiano, don't get me wrong. I was stationed with him in the Philippines. He's one of my old friends. But Paul can be on a different planet sometimes he kind of marches to the beat of his own drumming. He's evidently watching another podcast. He's watching another live stream, I don't know. But Chicago is good all aroundaround band, but not phenomenal.
Scott McLean:Chicago in their prime was phenomenal. I don't know how you could say that in their prime, which I would say was the 70s, before they got all poppish, I mean that some of their music was just I. I mean, all right, you know what? All right, let me see. I just have to prove to him that they're not phenomenal. Like I said, let me see Great. I said serious, let's see. Let me see Greatest at series. Let's see, not that one, not that one. Where is it? Hold on, let's see, this isn't phenomenal. I mean, come on, don't say they, they when they got older, they, they, they went into. Let me see, all right, I'm, I'm getting off track. He got me off track, fucker. Okay, where was I? Uh, let me see, I had a great career, he said I gave it, gave it my best shot, and I always did.
Scott McLean:I've always been so neurotic and consumed with being the best I can, and it's made me successful and miserable at the same time. Poor, poor me. Blah blah, blah. Tortured artist. Blah blah, blah. I grew up in the greatest time in the history of mankind to be a musician. But now the music business is shite because no one's buying your shite. But now the music business is shite because no one's buying your shite. That's what it is. Because you're putting out shite, the fuck's going to go out and buy a David DeYoung, fucking, whatever his name is, what is it? What's his name? Again, I don't even remember his fucking name Dennis DeYoung, see, that's how important this guy is to me.
Scott McLean:And Perry light-fingered, perry Dinovich, the AI. Perry Lightfingers, the AI. He's a lounge schmuck. Theatrical BS. Mr Roboto. What the fuck Exactly, exactly, lightfinger, perry Lightfingers, mark Smith from Music Relish.
Scott McLean:Perry was accused of stealing those guitars from Hart. It was something. He was implicated by Mark Smith, so he became Perry Lightfingers. That was hilarious, let me see, I've always been neurotic. Do I have to explain this to you? Yeah, yeah, he says I don't think so. No, oh, please explain. Please explain the numbers that your, that your albums were making. Please, please explain the, the, the, the tens of tens of of albums that you were selling, tens of, not even tens of hundreds.
Scott McLean:The change is not in me, the change is in the culture. This is why this motherfucking this deck is heavily stacked against people in rock music, and particularly old farts like myself. There you go again. There you go again. He's got the fucking edge of a baseball bat. He's clarified I'm not retiring and if the spirit moves me, I might write a song from time to time and put it out through Apple or whoever the local robber baron is.
Scott McLean:Okay, now you're fucking complaining about the people that you want to put your music out on. Why Did you not make your millions off of fucking Lady and Come, sail Away and whatever other fucking gay songs you wrote? I don't know, let me see. But I'm not going to go through the torturous efforts of making a complete album again because, number one, he probably can't get a producer. And if he does, he's going to get a producer who's like, ooh, I'm going to work with this old guy and he'll help me go somewhere because my audience will go hey, that's nice, dennis, pat me on the head and say, please play, come Sail Away. Well, are you fucking complaining about that? Are you really complaining about that? That? Are you really complaining about that?
Scott McLean:The fucking song that was in the top 10 that made you a lot of money? Oh, they want me to play my old songs that made me popular and famous and meant something to them. This is a pompous motherfucker right there. This is a pompous ass motherfucker. They want me to play that. Even Morrissey who doesn't? He's all about not being that old, playing the old song, being an oldies act, as he said. He's all about that. I'm not an oldies act.
Scott McLean:If you go to a Morrissey concert, you'll see 3, maybe 4 Smith songs Out of 15 or 16 songs that he plays. You throw them in there. You throw the fucking crowd a bone. Now he gets offended by it. This is a fact for all classic rockers. There's a lot of classic rockers out there that love playing their old music because that fucking pays the bills. Love playing their old music because that fucking pays the bills. The people who still support us are emotionally bound to the music of their youth, which is a is true of all generations. Could you ever, could you sit down and have a conversation with this fucking guy? Could you like, could you have a real man to? No, you couldn't have a man, toman, that's not happening.
Scott McLean:He named his top three Styx albums as Equinox 75, the Grand Illusion 77, and Paradise Theater 81. So let me see 75, 77,. Okay, paradise Theater junk, fucking junk. Theater, shit theater, because that's what he wanted to create. Theater, shit theater, because that's what he wanted to create theater. The dude just needs to fucking go write plays instead of write songs. But of course, the Grand Illusion is our best album.
Scott McLean:He said Anyone who wants to argue about it, don't come to my door. I'll make them look silly. You're gonna look silly if you come to my door. I'll make you look silly. We'll have a kerfuffle. Yes, we will. We'll have a kerfuffle and I'll make you look silly. So don't come to my door buster. I just made myself laugh at that one. This fucking guy has beta male written all over him. He probably got the tattoo, anyway. Anyway, actually, you know what? Most rock stars are pussies. Most rock stars are pussies. Prove me wrong. Most, I said not all Like I'm sure like Zach Wilde got guitarists for Aussies Black Flag. I'm sure Zach Wilde is a guy that would get in a fight Right, but not like these dudes. They all talk shit and they all weigh about 110 pounds, soaking wet. Anyway.
Scott McLean:Lady was the band's breakthrough hit. Uh, originally released in 73 on the album sticks to, but re-released two years later to great success. A lady was great for its time. It was fucking. It was a great song for its time. I don't listen to it if I hear it on the radio. Everything changed when lady was a hit. De young said it was the first song I ever wrote. And when we put it on the second album, no one at radio played it. But later it became a hit. And then it was they like me. Oh, this dude just fucking. Oh, my god, they like me, they really really like me. Oh, because I wrote a song called lady, this fucking guy. So I took the reins and sticks.
Scott McLean:He recalled I was the guy who said this is the way to go. Follow me, and if I screw up, just hit me over the head with a shovel and bury me, or else I'll make you look silly. I'll make you come to my door and I'll make you look silly and we'll have a kerfuffle. And then you can hit me in the head with the shovel and bury me, but you better bury me deep, sonny, because I'll come back. It's fucking. Oh, what. Should I take this phone call? No, I don't want to take this call. No, no one's here. My ringtone, anyway. Well, okay. So I took the reins. Blah, blah, blah. Hit me in the head, bury me, kerfuffle, make you look silly.
Scott McLean:Uh, all those hit ballads were inspired by the same woman de young's wife, jim, his wife Jim. Not that there's anything wrong with that. The article says Suzanne, but I think Suzanne's real name is Jim. Hey, listen, if Jim inspired them, god bless them. God bless them. When we met she, he was 15 and I was 17. He said it was the only love we've ever known Me and Jim Instead of lady. I think it was originally called Jimmy.
Scott McLean:Yeah, what I didn't understand when I was writing those songs is that there are a number of people in the world who absolutely hate romantic ballads and slam what they call the mushiness, the cheesiness, the, what? The treacle, t-r-e-a-c-l-e treacle. Who uses that word? The fuck is treacle, the fuck is treacle. Hold on, let me see, gemini, what does treacle mean? Let's see, I gotta ask Gemini this Gemini's better than Google, gemini. What does treacle mean? Just a second Treacle has a few meanings, but it's most commonly used today a type of syrup.
Scott McLean:Here we go, here we go. Oh, here we go. That's the one, that's the one I got to take a treacle. Just listen to this yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, treacle, yeah, that's what happens when you turn 60. You take a leak, you got a little treacle afterwards. It's just what it is. It's just what it is.
Scott McLean:Who the fuck uses the word treacle anyway?
Scott McLean:Uh, when we met she, he was 15, I was 17. What, I don't understand. She's in this tree. Go, blah, blah, oh, oh, he gets a little tough guy. Now Listen, and you know what I say to those people Fuck off, fuck off. See, I made you look silly, see, I made you look silly. Now fuck off, or I'll get a shovel and hit you in the head and bury you after the kerfuffle. So fuck off. Well, maybe I shouldn't say fuck off to these people, I just it's just their personal taste. But here's my definition of songwriting.
Scott McLean:I started out as a kid with an accordion. I was a kid with an accordion. I had a dream. I had a melody of rhythm in my head and all I ever wanted to do was find some chords and attach lyrics to them and then give you my point of view, hoping you find yourself in my story. This fucking guy. This is why they won't let him back in the band. This is exactly why they won't let him back in the band. This fucking guy this is I had, I was a kid with an accordion. He actually said that. He fucking actually said that I was a kid with an accordion and I had a rhythm in my head. I had a melody. I want to be the melody man. I want to be the melody man in a rhythm age. See, I'm not wrong here. I am fucking not wrong here. There's no doubt about it. I am not wrong here. This fucking guy. No wonder they won't let him in.
Scott McLean:That's what songwriting is, and inclusive in that is my relationship with the love of my life, jim. So I don't want to feel like I have to apologize for that, because when you're lying on your deathbed, love is the only thing that matters. Oh, this is fucking just putrid gold. Putrid gold. Beta male gold, beta male gold. Right here. This is it.
Scott McLean:If you were gonna fucking write a description of beta male in wikipedia, this fucking article would be right underneath. It references this as one reference. This article in the beginning it was my band, my idea, but now it's really tommy shaw's band. That stupid silly tommy shaw. He stole everything from me. That's my input.
Scott McLean:Uh, if you haven't figured that out, I've said that we should do one last tour together. For those people who made us rich men. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's fucking backtrack a little bit here. Fucking sweet pants, weren't you just fucking complaining about the people that said make me play, come sail away and pat me on the head? Were you just complaining about them, you fucking moron? Were you not just saying, oh, they just want to pat me on the head and and say thank you and move me along? And now he's like hey, tommy, tommy, can we do one more tour so I can make a little more money off those fuckers that pat me on the head and touch my tushy and tell me to move along. Then we have a kerfuffle in bed, me and Jim. Anyway, I digress. They know I'm ready to do it and recently it was floated as a possibility, but Tommy Shaw was the only one who spoke and he said no, this is great.
Scott McLean:Tommy Shaw had commented about the glory days of Styx Instead of DeYoung. In retrospect, we weren't even happy working with each other in our heyday. In other words, dennis DeYoung was it's my band, we'll go my way, we'll do it my way. And if we stumble, hit me in the head and hit the shovel and bury me. Yeah, this is why this asshole ain't coming back, because he was a fucking. He was, he was on a power trip.
Scott McLean:De young responded. Let me tell you he really said that. He really fucking said it. Let me tell you. And what man says that? Let me tell you.
Scott McLean:Big Ted Todd, the Wet Sprocket. Let me tell you, all of this stuff they said about me was the biggest exaggerated bunch of lies I've ever seen in my life. You know what a real man would say. Those motherfuckers are lying through their teeth. That's some bullshit right there. That's what a man would say. These motherfuckers lying through their teeth. They shit lies is what he should have said, but no, he starts it off. Let me tell you, it's the biggest bunch of lies I've ever seen in my life. What are you 12? Are you fucking 12? We liked each other. He said that we liked each other.
Scott McLean:We never had a punch up. A punch up what the fuck Is that? The same as a kerfuffle, a punch up. We never had a punch upup. The fuck is that. Who the fuck says that? Oh man, uh, let me finish. We never had a punch-. We never screamed at each other. We weren't those guys. We made music together. This is like this dude Does he write scripts in his head and wait for an interviewer to come along. We liked each other. We never had a punch up. We never screamed at each other. We weren't those guys. I don't think you were ever a guy to begin with, but okay, we made music together. Drama queen Jim. I give Jim a lot of credit for sticking with this guy since he was 15. So here we go. It just gets better.
Scott McLean:So when you cast aspersions, not only are my musical contributions, but also my character. It's been the greatest heartbreak of my career, greatest heartbreak of my career. He cast aspersions on me. Oh, I hate when people cast aspersions. No-transcript. I can't think of a band that's worked harder than sticks at diminishing its own reputation and to denigrate the music that we created together and it serves no purpose. Oh, I think Guns N' Roses and Motley Crue and there's a couple other bands that give you a run for the money Diminishing its reputation. I think you're lost in that category.
Scott McLean:Our fans loved us because we did musically. What we did musically was very uplifting and positive. That's what we stood for, and to harm that anyway is insane in the membrane, insane in the brain. All right, well, I'm almost done here Not to give the fans one last glimpse of us together on stage. It makes no sense to me. He said and I know that all six fans, all six sticks fans he left the number out and I know all Sticks fans would want to see that one more time.
Scott McLean:But look, this is not about me. It's not about the money. Oh, it's not. This isn't about you. This whole article about you bitching and moaning and complaining and bitching some more. It's not about you. I don't know. Let me repeat that. But look, this is not about me, it's not about the money. I think it's about the money too. It's to relive and reinforce. What Lucky oh, he fucking does this now. This is just. We're ending on a big one, people. I'm going to read the whole thing in context. But look, this is not about me, it's not about money. It's to relive and reinforce.
Scott McLean:And what lucky wait for it, son of a bitches, we were to find each other. We are some lucky son of a bitches. You know who's an unlucky son of a bitch? Me, for meeting big head Todd the West Rocket. That's the polar opposite of this. We are the polar opposite of sticks. They're lucky sons of bitches. I'm an unlucky son of a bitch. We're to find each other and show the people what we appreciate what you've done for us.
Scott McLean:I'm sick. I'm sick over the fact that we can't do it one more time. But what am I going to do? I just can't for the life of me understand it. And that's the end of the article. That's it. That's the end of the article. That's the end of the article. I don't think you could have ended it any better. I think we're all lucky son of a bitches that this article is over and I have been tortured from word one on this.
Scott McLean:I don't know if I even want to do another. Let's cut over here. Let me see, let's get rid of this clown On this. I don't know if I even want to do another. Let's cut over here. Let me see, let's get rid of this clown. Oh, look at that. Let's get this out of here. Get him Get off my screen. There you go. All right, did I do one more? I'll do one more. I don't think I can beat that one, though.
Scott McLean:Let me see, I'm featuring myself to you each week. What did Big Head Todd say? Guys with sandal socks use that word. He took the reins. Leader of band. Dave Phillips, king of the 45, sticks as someone to sing those songs. That's right, dave Phillips, king of the 45. It's always about the money. Yes, it is Big head Todd the Westbrookian, or me torturing myself listening to you each week. That's right, because I'm better than Dennis DeYoung. I'll tell you that, that fucking guy. Let me dig up one more. Let me dig up one more here. Let's see, let's get one more article and then I'm done for the night. I'm going to go hang out with Dr Vera. So you know what? Let me see the prog musician, the Eagles. You know what? I'll end it on this one. Let's see, get that up over here. I'm getting good at this. See, get that up over here. I'm getting good at this. See. See, I upped my game.
Scott McLean:There is a certain person that used to be on the podcast. He was part of a duo who's once said that Milk Crates and Turntables was a sinking ship and it was turning into a variety show. Well, I resent that that person, because now I'm all techie. Now I'm all techie. Here we go Four classic rock songs without the title in the lyrics. Now, now that I said that, dave Fellows, king of the 45, saying goodnight Alright. Now that I said that To the listeners, the podcast listeners, the live stream viewers Four classic rock songs Without the title In the lyrics, can you think of one, can you think of two, let alone four Classic rock songs Without the title in the lyrics?
Scott McLean:Now, I'm going to read this article while you have. I'm going to read a little bit the intro while you have time to think. And for the live stream viewers, if you want to comment in with a song that does not have the title in the lyrics. This article is about four classic rock songs and you're going to hear them and you're going to go. Oh fuck, that's right. From a marketing perspective, including a song's title somewhere in the lyrics helps listeners easily identify what they hear on the radio, and in the days when classic rock was new, radio was the quickest way to reach the widest audience. However, rock and roll, if nothing else, is about breaking rules, smashing through the norms of how songs are written, how long they're supposed to be and whether or not the artist ever sings the tune's name.
Scott McLean:These classic rock songs became iconic even without the title in the lyrics. Oh, let's see what's the first one black dog by led zeppelin all right, it's got a little blurb. Uh, at the barn of black labrador, at the recording studio where led zeppelin recorded its fourth album, inspired the title black dog. Jimmy page's legendary guitar riffs often say more than what's being sung, and Robert Plant's powerful voice energizes his seemingly throwaway lyrics with a bluesy howl. Plant screams them through a series of lusty verses, but the dog goes unmentioned.
Scott McLean:All right, what's number two? A Day in the Life by the Beatles. John Lennon wrote the line I read the news today which intrigued Paul McCartney. The song follows various unconnected news events, both tragic and trivial. Lennon's voice sounds distant and aloof, like he's observing from another dimension. Mccartney is the man on the ground and it's not clear whether he's headed toward a calamity or boredom. The title distills the day's events in five words. Everything else happens within a Beatles masterwork. So so, a day in the life, yeah, yeah. Great songs, both of them so far. And let's move on to number three, badge by Cream.
Scott McLean:Working on what became Badge, which is one of my favorite songs of all time, george Harrison wrote Badge on the lyric sheet to denote the middle portion of the song's arrangement. Eric Clapton, sitting across from Harrison, read bridge upside down and asked what's badge? Thus the song now had a title, though one wouldn't appear, one that wouldn't appear in the lyrics. Now I heard a slightly different version of that story. I heard they were all passed out and Harrison was finishing some lyrics and he wrote bridge. He did write bridge instead of badge, but when they woke up and read it they were all drunk. They're like what the fuck is badge? And he meant to write bridge, but it's relatively the same. They were in the same room. All right, what's the last one before I call this a night.
Scott McLean:Bohemian Rhapsody Ugh, mm, as Sling Blade would say, mm, mm, mm, mm-hmm. Queen's epic consists of many movements across nearly six minutes. A lot happens in the song, including layers upon layers of operatic voices. A rock and roll opera of tragedy and defiance. Some have described it as a Faustian bargain, while others speculate that Freddie Mercury details his personal struggles, while others speculate that Freddie Mercury details his personal struggles. But the title appears nowhere and Mercury ends with the song on a defeated note.
Scott McLean:Nothing really matters to me and, with that said, let me get this off the screen. That's it. That's the show, that's the podcast, that's the episode started off a little rough. I got some shit to figure out here, but for the most part I think it was a pretty good show. I had fun. I hope you had fun.
Scott McLean:Thanks for listening, like it. Share it if you didn't like it. Thanks for listening or watching for an hour and I'll be back next week, me and jack, supposedly I'll be back, whether jack's here or not, I don't know, but I will be here and I'll have some more, either music news or some articles. Uh, you know, we'll see. We'll see, maybe I'll have, maybe I'll, maybe I'll seek out a special guest and you like my background, you like the new background right there, the picture, the David Bowie picture. There it is, yeah, right there. Yeah, that's a big like. If you're listening to the podcast.
Scott McLean:My daughter, amanda, who does the intro for this, she bought me this for Father's Day. It's a real big painting of david bowie and it's pretty cool, pretty, pretty, pretty cool. Uh, patty, assi says, thanks for all the info. You always crack me up. Have a good night. You too, patty, you're the best. And uh, with all that said, as I always say, to quote my favorite artist, morrissey, doing this podcast for you, well, the pleasure, the privilege is mine and I will be back next Thursday, god willing. Patty said very nice, gotta go.
