Milk Crates and Turntables. A Music Discussion Podcast
Milk Crates and Turntables is a Music Discussion Podcast. Each week Scott chooses a different music topic and discuss and debate the good, the bad and the ugly side of that particular topic. Maybe you'll agree or maybe you'll disagree. Listen in and find out.
Milk Crates and Turntables. A Music Discussion Podcast
Ep. 181 - Three-Member Bands, Soul Music Trivia And Other Music Stuff
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:Zafira means a lot to me. What's up everybody. Welcome to the podcast. You know the name, I'm not going to say it. We're streaming live right now over everything, episode 181. 181 episodes it's a beautiful thing, and on this episode, jack's back, I got some discussion topics. Three member bands yeah, I can't get in the way of that. Pigs, pigs, pigs, pigs, pigs, pigs, pigs. Name of the song is GNT. Go download it. Fucking blood pumping music. Yeah, so we're going to have a good show. Mark Flynn already comments in 181, what a great ring. Yeah, all right, let me bring in Jack Jackie.
:Boy, scotty Boy, what's going on? Thank you for the accommodation tonight.
:Yeah, anything for you, buddy. See I've matured. See how you have to admit I have matured over the last 180 episodes well 160 you've gotten older 100.
:I've gotten older, you've gotten older still a bad motherfucker though you are a bad don't forget that so I had to put off jumping on until 715 or 725, because I'm on a tear. I promised myself that I'm gonna get on my Peloton every day, so I had to sneak a ride in fucking.
:just stick a lead pipe up my ass. Ugh, fuck that.
:Sammy Ray my man. You want a lead pipe up your ass?
:Well, it's like we're sitting on a fucking Peloton.
:Yeah.
:Look, I'm not built like a girl like you, okay, look, you got your little purple, pink and yellow and I got my fucking one-man, one-mic, turbo, ultra cold brew and Bustelo coffee.
:Coffee at $7.26.
:I need it because I got to deal with you.
:That's simple, it's simple Because I have gotta deal with you. That's simple. It's simple because I have to deal with you. So, hey, do you want to know why I had to get?
:on the peloton. Well do, uh oh well, you big head, todd the wet sprocket, he's gonna say it. I'm here entertain me. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. All right, why were you on the peloton?
:so I have to go on this business trip. I had to, I I had to go and buy a tux oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you were telling me that yeah, I think things are a little tighter than they should be well, look at, that's what happens.
:That's what happens when we get older. We're never gonna be fucking. You're never gonna be real thin like you were when you're in your 20s and 30s oh okay, eventually we'll both be real thin yeah that's one way to look at it eventually we're gonna be real thin.
:I'm just hey, I'm just giving myself a fighting chance that's right.
:That's right. You get on the peloton. I get more tattoos.
:So that works. I'm telling you so. So a couple of weeks ago I went to, uh, joseph, a banks.
:You know the, the suit place I'm sorry, jack, I'm sorry you get your fucking, your two-man fan club back to back yeah, they know jack with 10 exclamation points. Big head todd the wet sprocket. Finally a real show.
:Jack is here hey, you know what I? I can jump off so you can do your music news for the next hour. Hey, jerry lee lewis took a shit today in 1963 that's interesting.
:You know that's interesting stuff though yeah, yeah, the fact that he did take a shit on this day in 1963 is probably a fact.
:Yes, but the weird thing about Jerry Lee Lewis is the shit that he took was on his 13-year-old cousin, who he just married Scat rock. Scat rock.
:Man, he was an originator.
:He was an originator All rightator.
:All right, you tux?
:tell us about the tux I, there's really nothing to tell. I mean I, I have to go to this event. Deb's gonna wear an evening gown and I had. I had to get a tux and deb was like why don't you just rent one? I was like I don't want to be at this event, feeling like people are looking at me because I'm in a rented tux and you know we're gonna, we're gonna be over there for like 10 days. We're gonna be in prague, so very proggy you oh my god, that's a jack joke.
:That is, that's quality I I am so glad that you're being more pragmatic these days. So look, in any event, you know, even if I wanted to rent a tux, I'm going to be over there for like 10 days. We're going to be in private. It would have cost me the same amount of money.
:Can you move your microphone closer? How's this? See? See how much better that sounds. But you want to be lazy. I'm not being lazy. You need a boom on where you can sit back like you like to sit back and bring the microphone you're in.
:You're in front of a computer, right, you need to put that big get on it, you put to put that big black ditty microphone right in your face. That's what you need get on amazon right now and you buy your friend jack a nice boom I have dude, I I will send you.
:I got more fucking podcast equipment than I know. I will send you a boom on, absolutely I will. I got like nine of them that I don't need because I use these. Now I use this. What is that? It's a desktop boom. It goes up.
:You can put it up there, you can send me one of those.
:Send me one of this one you're gonna buy. I'm not fucking look at you, oh yeah, yeah, you're not. You're the fucking, the big, high-powered insurance executive. For the listeners not health insurance, not health insurance. We had that discussion the other day. It's not health insurance, so don't blame Jack. So, by the way.
:Speaking of health, can I bring up a topic?
:I'm looking very healthy.
:Well you are. You're looking very spry, very nice. But you know we talk more about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame than probably any other show that's out there, right yeah?
:we talk a lot about it.
:And we talk about people that have been passed over. Yeah, and we probably take it for granted that there are certain bands that are going to get in and the timing of it doesn't matter. But you know what it does matter, and we we're experiencing right now a situation where the timing of the nominees and the induction of rock and roll hall of fame bands makes a difference. And what I mean is what is currently in the news or has been in the past, like week and a half or so. Bad company, which has been passed over a bunch of times, finally got into the rock and roll hall of fame. And what happened?
:mick ralphs, the lead guitar player, died about a week and a half ago yeah so you know this poor bastard what a great way to cap off his life to be at that event, and because they were passed over probably a bunch of times, he's now going to be inducted posthumously.
:Yeah, but he was alive to see Sheryl Crow, the Go-Go's, joan Jett, dolly Parton, going ahead of him in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I'm sure that made him feel fucking great.
:So here's my question yeah, with a lot of our rock and roll heroes from the 1670s that are really getting up there, yeah, do you think? Do you think that the committee for the rock and roll hall of fame now takes that into?
:consideration. Uh, that's a good question. There should be a quick answer to it. It should be no, because they get. They should get in the way they they should have gotten in. I don't know, like you know what it's like why are they not good enough one year but they're good enough another year? You know what I mean. Like that is that and that's in sports hall of fames, that's in every hall of fame, right?
:um, by the way, this, this stupid thing that I'm going to in prague yeah, I guess drew breeze is going to be there. Do you know who that is?
:yeah, he was the quarterback for the new orleans saints super bowl champion quarterback, record-breaking quarterback he's going to be the second best breeze there. Yeah, yeah, just don't talk about the mole, the mole, what mole? He used to have a big mole on his face. Oh, really One of those big, like you know, brown ones Moley, moley, moley, moley, moley. Yeah, don't stare at the mole scar that he had, don't? He's very sensitive about that.
:He is Now guy that he had don't? He's very sensitive about that. He is now. You're going to be looking at it, I'm going to be looking for it, we're looking for it. So, speaking of that, did I ever tell you the story? This is not music related, but I was working for a company called chubb, so chubb life insurance. I was working as an underwriter, not to be confused with the great Shub Rock.
:That's right All right come on and I was working as an underwriter and they had a sales contest for life insurance. So the team that I was on, we were responsible for processing all of these life insurance applications, assessing their medical you know whether they were worthy to have life insurance, blah, blah, blah. So the contest ends and the marketing department and the CEO and the senior management team comes to our floor and they throw us a pizza party to say thank you for the great job that we did during the contest. So you know me, winthrop guy, guy like you, I'm toe to toe with the CEO of Chubb Life and we're shooting the shit and we're busting each other's balls and we're eating pizza and stuff.
:And I get a napkin and I start going to his face. I was like, ah, you got a little crumb there. You got a little crumb there, you little crumb there. After about the seventh swipe I realized it's not a crumb, he's got a skin tag. Oh, and that crumb is not going anywhere. And I can see him looking at me like, uh, that's not going anywhere. It's not what you think it is so we lost um mick ralphs yeah.
:Let me see. Mark Flynn said Debbie Harry. I know Debbie Harry turned 80 yesterday. I saw a video of her Right and I'm one of those guys that I'm still checking her out. I'm seeing how she looks even though she's 80. Like I was, I was. I loved Blondie. You know, there was the thing Pat Benatar, blondie type thing.
:No, blondie.
:Right, blondie type thing, no Blondie right. Yeah, pat Benatar had her share of fans.
:You know that she did, she did and she's a beautiful woman too.
:Debbie Harry was just that sexy little imp and she was talking and she, you know, she has that Debbie Harry, fate, like you know, it's her and and this is a little crazy but she's talking and she kind of lifts her arm up right and her shirt rides up a little bit and I'm like, damn, she's still got a flat stomach. 80 maybe, maybe, maybe I don't know, maybe I would I I think she still looks good.
:I think, scott, at 80, there's a good chance you're gonna have a flat stomach. I don't think so. No, I don't think so at 80 I, I think I think debbie harry has always and still is a very beautiful woman naturally beautiful, naturally very beautiful yeah, yeah, hey, because you brought her up, pat benatar, I'll tell you one of the things that drives me nuts apparently depends on scott or on debbie harry.
:We'll see.
:It remains to be seen so so my my issue with pat benatar. I love pat benatar, I've seen her in concert a handful of times, but it drives me. This type of shit drives me nuts. She refuses to do hit me with your best shot in concert anymore. I don't blame her. Why all?
:right, I know, there's the two. There's two sides to this coin, of course, right? Uh, dave phillips, king of the 45s, pat benetoff and dave egan, my friend, how are you? Um, there's two sides to that coin. One is the fans. Paid the money. Give the fans what they want. The other is, um, why the fuck do I have to? I it's, it's my show, just you came to me. I don't have to do the oldies.
:But there's been a lot of like this girl. I know this Brazilian woman. She went to see one of my she's my favorite Brazilian artist, babel Gilberto, and she yelled up to like yell. She's close to the stage and she yells up to her sing you know whatever song and she goes honey, this is my show, I'll sing my songs. Like a lot of and she's been around like a lot of them are like hey, I don't really. I watched you too at sun devil stadium fucking play. I will follow. In about 60 seconds it was the fastest version of that song that I'd ever seen them sing but but here's, here's my issue.
:I I hear what you're saying in terms of an artist can go up there and and do what they want. My, my issue is that pat benatar does not play. Hit me with your best shot because she thinks it promotes violence oh, all right, the rest of the story yeah, I mean for for me, I always thought that that song was about female empowerment so I never paid attention to that liberal shit, so I wouldn't.
:I just thought it was like she's's like, give it to me, give it. I looked at it like that testosterone driven 17 year old. Oh, I'll give you my best shot. Oh, I'll give you my best shot.
:I'll hit you with my best, mark. Mark, yeah, he just wrote a diatribe here. Well, he says Pat Benatar will not hit me with the best shot in concert out of respect for the victims and families of mass shootings.
:That's fucking ridiculous. Hold on, hold on. You got to know who you're dealing with. Mark Flynn is the king of Google. This fucking guy. There's no way he writes like that number one. I've never seen him write tongue in cheek tongue dash in dash. He doesn't write like that. He fucking Googled this to try to sound like he knows what he's talking about. I know they don't say. They say don't insult your fans. Well, I'm insulting him. He's the king of Google. She fills the song's title in lyrics while intended to be tongue in cheek. He doesn't write like that, he doesn't even talk like that are inappropriate given the current climate of gun violence.
:See, are inappropriate given the current climate of gun violence.
:See, this is this is okay, look at it. Look, I I appreciate.
:I really don't want to hear the song. I appreciate the sentiment, but that's so stupid. It is because the meaning of that song has nothing to do with gun violence or any of that stuff to to me. I think it's a way for her to grab headlines I think it's an excuse.
:She doesn't want to fucking sing the song anymore that may.
:That may be the case that may be.
:But then just come out like morrissey and say I'm not an oldies act I. He sings a couple of smith songs but the rest of it is him like. But hers are all oldie songs. You know what I mean? She didn't have two lives in the music world.
:Yeah.
:She's always been consistent, like Pat Benatar. Right, morrissey has his shit and he has his shit with the Smiths. But I mean I can see although as they get older I've seen bands they have no problem playing that shit. If people are fucking paying them, that's their retirement to all money. If people are fucking paying them, that's their retirement to all money. You know what I mean well, like squeeze, I saw squares.
:They played singles in 40 pretty much played singles and 45s and other yeah but I I think there's a big difference between marcy that has an artistry about him and has a loyal following that will dive deep into the catalog like you can't, you can't go to, uh, a foreigner concert and foreigner says, ah, you know, we're really going to dive deep into the catalog. We'll play jukebox hero, but we're going to play a bunch of stuff you guys don't know. They will lose their audience.
:So well, haven't you seen that though? Have you? Have you not seen that? And have you never gone to a concert? And it's like, oh, all right, this guy's playing now all right, I'm asking you you're, you're, you're another level music person yeah, like you know.
:You know, one of the one of the worst shows I've ever seen was neil young in the in the 80s when he did his whole shocking pinks in his um I forget what the name of the record was called, but his electronic album it was. It was terrible. The audience was bored, shitless and and that was back in the day, yeah, when the ticket, when the tickets were 20 bucks and you would pay. Can you imagine paying 300 and somebody you know, bruce springsteen, coming out and saying I'm gonna play lucky town in human touch tonight?
:well as the story goes, you know, know with me. I saw Radiohead in Miami when they kicked off the tour. It was like four years ago or something, maybe. Well, it was before COVID, wasn't it? Yeah, I think it was right before COVID. And dude fucking behind me, people will pay fucking 200 bucks, 150 bucks or more to see one song. And this motherfucker just goes me. Why isn't he playing creep? Why, saying he, why isn't he playing creep like yeah, the radio head, right, not they. Why isn't he playing creep like there you go, so you're gonna get those people right.
:Thank you, steve romano he's a nail young, that's. You know. He has like a nail young facebook group with like fucking a million people on it or some shit like that. I don't know.
:He's the moderator steve, do you like the record reactor?
:I'm just curious and that'll be a 15 second delay, but he'll answer.
:We don't have to wait for it. I'm sure there are aspects of that record that he may like, just because he's that much of a fan he's a huge, but I but I have, but I have to tell you what there were, I don't know, 18, 20 000 of us in the audience, fucking bored, yeah, shitless yeah, I mean just absolutely not like me at the black and blue tour with fucking black sabbath with dio boring what did you want? Your eight bucks back?
:I was sitting in the loge in the back right corner.
:They weren't bad, and you know eight bucks. And, by the way, didn't you already get your money's worth? Didn't you steal a bunch of concert t-shirts?
:I did I always did one thing I did. I always tried to get as close as I could to the stage and I was notorious for stealing concert t-shirts from the vendors. Steve romano two good songs off a reactor, Neil Young.
:And that's coming from like a diehard Neil Young fan. Steve Romano knows just about everything.
:He certainly does. He certainly does.
:All right, hey, a great artist to follow. No question.
:Let me see Big Head Todd the way Sprocket just commented and Kelly Hansansen announced he's leaving foreigner this morning. I watched it on fox and friends this morning, not like king of google that's a shot at mark flynn.
:Kelly hansen isn't even the lead singer or the original lead singer for foreigner so I this, this is actually going to lead into something.
:Maybe this is a good segue. All right, I was gonna. I was gonna do. Let's save that I have. I want to get these musics. I want to get this, this, this music trivia out of the way. I was supposed to do it last week with you. Uh, let me see steven romano just commented in uh, not one song from that album ever got radio time yeah, but did it deserve radio time?
:I don't know. Uh, all right, the name of this segment is who sings this song? And this is a a soul kind of motown version. And the reason I asked this is because I've I've heard songs come on the radio and I know the song, and then it will say you know, like I'll see on my SiriusXM thing, and it will say the name of the group and I'm like, oh fuck, I didn't know they sang it, because the song is so good that it just maybe people don't pay attention to who sings them. There's always a certain group of artists that get stuck in oh, they sing this, they sing this, but it's not them. All right. So an example who sings this song? Jack?
:I'm gonna be really bad at this. Hold on, that's the spinners.
:I'll be around, very good very good, all right, you're one for one. Very good, very good, all right. You're one for one. How many are there? I'll do five, six, we'll see how far it goes. We'll see how good you're doing, who sings this, and the listeners can learn something if they don't already know.
:I'm going to jump ahead.
:I need vocals? All right, it's coming. There we go this sounds like the Shy Lights, but I don't know the song. It's not the Shy Lights. I love this. Hold on, I love this. All that it's uh the floaters I never would have got that so this is what I'm talking about. Like a lot of people say this like oh, that's the oj's, because that may be the only soul band, or or you know, uh, let's see, what else do we got?
:I know who the OJs are. I don't know who the Floaters are. Never heard of that band.
:Okay, let's see who sings this. Maybe you've never heard this song. Sounds like Al Green a little bit. See, if he starts when they start singing, ain't no place. I'd rather be than with you.
:I recognize the voice.
:You do. It's the Isley Brothers.
:Yeah.
:Yeah, let's see what about this one. Walk with me.
:Dude, you're playing me some deep cuts here.
:Maybe to you. Let me go, hold you, let me go.
:The floaters is not a deep cut.
:I didn't think so. Well, again, I listened to that music. So to me it's not like you know. Let me see. All right, here we go, here we go. Who sings this one?
:It's the Temptations.
:There you go. Just my imagination.
:By the way, did you see how fast I got that one?
:You did. It's a popular song, right, All right this one, curtis Mayfield.
:No, wait a minute minute. Who's that lady? I'll I'll say this is the oj's the eisley brothers again the eisley.
:I like that song too. That's a great song. That's a great song, that's right. Alright, this one's easy. You should get this one that is the temptations again.
:Papa was a rolling stone.
:Yes, who does this? It's an instrumental. Again with Papa was a Rolling Stone. Yes, who does this? It's an instrumental.
:Chuck Mangione. No, I'm just kidding.
:One of the greatest instrumentals ever made, and I'm not just saying that.
:I can't really hear it.
:What's that bass? Listen to bass, that's.
:That's fat man. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the show Right right, right, we get some slow mellow tunes for you tonight. Synth baby, I don't know who it is, but I love it Cool and the gang Summer Madness Go download it.
:Mark Smith knows he said summertime. Will Smith sampled that whole thing Summertime.
:Do you hear about poor Will Smith?
:No, I don't really care about him.
:Well, I'm being facetious. Okay, so he's trying to make a? Comeback yeah, he does a movie. It goes nowhere, so he pivots. All right, I'm gonna go back to my roots and put out a new record. I I probably have the exact number wrong, but I I looked it up the other day, just for shits and giggles. Will smith's new album sold 268 copies done?
:he's done. Now let's sidetrack, still get some more songs. It's it's. It's a fun segment, right, it's interesting. Um diddy the. The greatest fucking diss man in hip hop is 50 Cent. 50 Cent is a fucking wrecking ball right, he's got the quickest wit, sharpest wit. He's fucking smart and he throws this out there today. This is a headline 50 Cent shares. Swift reaction to diddy verdict beat the rico. He, the gay john garty, he's the gay john gun. Unfucking believable. That's the. That's got to be one of the greatest headlines I've ever read how long do you think?
:how long do you think diddy's gonna be in jail?
:now he's not. Now I'm pretty sure he's gonna get probation because he's a first-time offender and it's prostitution charge, um. But but with that said, he's now a pariah Like nobody is going to go near him. Any artist that tries to go on his label is done. Nobody's going to listen. This guy, he'd be better off in prison. I was telling Dr Vera this today. He'd be better off in prison because in prison at least he could say he got some cred, and that's big in that world. Like he could say got some cred, and that's big in that world. Like he could say I did time, I'm doing time right, and he'd come out like whatever, but he's still doing time he gets out.
:He can't, you can't say that now. I mean, he's been in jail for how long?
:now that's a holding. He's in holding, he's not in. He's not in the joint. That's a whole different world. You know what I mean. Even if he would have been in some you know know, fucking high-level federal prison. You're still doing time right Like you're going to do 20, and you get 85% I think 85%. You have to do 85% of that time, but he gets off. He's going to go home. He's got his hundreds of millions of dollars, but nobody's gonna call him, nobody's gonna hang out with him. He can't make records. He'd be better off in fucking jail. He's done like he'll live a comfortable life, but his ego isn't gonna be able to handle it. You'll see him coming back. He's gonna just make it worse on himself because he's so so what?
:what do you? What do you do if you're him? Do you, do you actually take your money and go?
:live in europe somewhere. He can't. His ego won't allow it. Right, his ego will not allow it. Um, yeah, you, you fucking lay low. You just take your money, you live your life and you lay low, you go on trips, you take your jets to fucking tahiti, you take your family. He can't do that though. Yeah, he's not wired for that. No, this is why it's going to be worse. That he's in fucking he's, he's back out on the street because he's.
:The industry is everything to him. He came up in the industry, he was a big player in the industry. Now the industry wants nothing to do with him. You know why? Because he, the gay john gotti at least john gotti was a tough guy, a legitimate fucking tough guy. You know what I mean. Like the stories that are out there about diddy. Now, like these there's no putting the toothpaste back in the tube, buddy. There's no putting the the baby oil back into the baby oil too. He's done like he's done and nobody's gonna go near him, so, anyway. So let's get back to this. Let's get back to this. Um, there's, there's a few more. Let me see. All right, who sings this? You'll know this song. Oh, this is about 1981. 1980. Ain't no?
:stopping us. This is Ain't no. Stopping Us Now, right.
:Yeah, who doesn't?
:I'll fast forward. It is that teddy pendergrass. Nope, no harold melvin in the blue notes, which is the same thing, teddy, uh much uh, all right, I'm gonna give you a hint.
:Two prolific writers in the industry is a chic no mcfadden and whitehead oh yeah, I wouldn't have guessed that.
:I can't. I know, I knew it was something like that, but I, there's no because there was a popular song right yeah, yeah, it's a great song all right, let me see who does this is this not the spinners?
:nope the stylistics good call, you got a good one, good one. Let me see this one you got a good one, good one. Let me see this one Great fucking song. Some people I could sing that low.
:Is this Isaac Hayes?
:Nope.
:This isn't Isaac Hayes. Nope, oh my God Some people. I made a wood taste. Nope, oh my god, some people. Some people have hearts of stone who sings it?
:I don't know good, they're dramatics. See these songs that come out like this. People think somebody else sings them.
:I should know, but in all fairness, a lot of these are one hit wonders. Not all of them, that's not my point.
:My point is People hear songs and I'm not saying these are popular songs that people think other people sing. You know what I mean? Like they'll always say the temptations, the stylistics, yeah, yeah.
:They'll do what I just did.
:That's.
:Isaac Hayes. No, it's not. It's the dramatics.
:All right, who sings?
:this one. Hello baby, I'm gonna rub you down with oil. We're gonna make pretend that we're in the big house, but I was only in a holding cell.
:So I ain't got no street cred. All right, let's see, let's see.
:Looking back over my years, I guess I shedded some tears. That sounds like Teddy Pendergrass. There you go, teddy, one of the greatest voices in soul or music.
:Oh yeah, I had an argument with a black guy one one day, not an argument, um at uh, at some veteran luncheon and I said to him well, if you ask me, teddy has a better voice than marvin. Well, that that that didn't sit too well yeah, but that's that's.
:that's not a winnable argument. He doesn't have a better voice, he has a different voice.
:I'm just saying, I just think that Teddy had more. Marvin has a great voice and I'm not going to say he's overrated that would be ludicrous to say that but I think and I guess it is a taste thing You're right, it is a taste. But everybody thinks marvin has the greatest voice ever. But there are people that think somebody else has a better voice, like smoky robinson, like that.
:Yeah, it's a lot of a lot of personal preference comes in, like who's got a better singing voice in rock? Paul rogers or, you know, stephen tyler. They're both good singers in their own way. Paul Rogers has more mechanical talent, he can hit certain notes and has a soulfulness of his voice. What Steven does is the same, but different in different areas. Nobody's ever going to win that argument.
:This song right here is notorious for people thinking somebody else sings it. You might know it. Let's see, I'll fast forward a little TV antenna in the back. Do it. Do it. You may not have.
:That's Curtis.
:Mayfield A car at all. Do it, do it. You may not have. That's curtis mayfield. There you go. Nope, that's not curtis mayfield wow, everybody thinks it's curtis mayfield fucking. Everybody is that is that uh pop staples no, it's william devon, oh shit, but everybody thinks that that, uh, what's his name? Sings it, like you just said yeah, yeah.
:But you know, you, you gotta, you gotta, imagine that there's somebody phillips has said curtis mayfield. Perry deader has said curtis mayfield, it's not, it's william devon you gotta, you gotta figure that somebody in that record company and somebody that is producing that record says look, we want, we want a Curtis Mayfield sound here.
:I can't say that's not the case, but I just think that I mean so you have, let's go more modern. Let's go more modern. Do you think that the record company said to Scott Whelan hey, we need you to sound like Eddie Vedder? Yes, no, yes, scott, weedland would not have done that. Yes, they will not. They will not do that, they just have the voice that they have I, yeah, I.
:I think that there is some element of the record company, whether it's the producer or the marketing department, that is going to say hey, we got another band that is going to help ride the grunge wave right now. Now I think it's unfair, because I think that stone temple pilots are a much better band.
:Rock and roll Hall of Fame Eventually.
:I think eventually, I think about corn.
:What about corn in the new metal? New metal starting to kind of rise a little bit from the bottom.
:I think eventually I would not hold my breath for corn anytime soon.
:They're the Kings of new metal. I know they are, I know they are and I do. Eventually they will have to do it. They will have to put them in.
:I do think that they will get in, but I don't think they're getting in anytime soon.
:Will the Pet Shop Boys ever get in? Will they ever get the respect that they deserve Someday? Really, I don't even see them on fucking ballots.
:Someday. But they may get that bullshit award. That is not part of the real induction.
:Yeah, all right. Who sings this song?
:Scott Whelan, yeah all right, who sings this song? Scott wheeling sounds like stevie wonder, nope who do you think sings it?
:Who does it sound like?
:It sounds like a one-hit wonder, so I had a. I think it was on Atlantic Records. It was a woman by the name of Frida Payne, yeah.
:Did you fucking Google that? Yes, I did. I knew you fucking did. I watched your face light up from your screen, dude, I was 32 years in law enforcement. I see and I hear everything. I can't undo that I'm like you, motherfucker. You just googled on on a live stream. Oh see, perry denovich, the perry light fingers. That's the AI, didn't Google.
:Free to pay.
:King of the 45s Didn't Google, you did it live.
:No, no, fred, they all Google free to pay and just shot up on the Google algorithm.
:They can't cause. They're watching on their phone, so they most likely can't.
:You really think? You really think that Dave Phillips knew who free to pain was?
:I think Dave Phillips surprisingly probably had the 45. All right, maybe he's older than us. He's older than us, so he's about five, six, seven, six years older than us.
:So I will. I will give him credit for it yeah, let's see you, Dave and Perry.
:Yeah, yeah, yo, all right, let's, let's do a couple more of these. These are actually good, um, let's see.
:Alright, here we go this is the Temptations again you're right, yeah, yeah this is uh. This is sung by Eddie Kendricks.
:No, oh, here we go right there Now. This song was sampled by the great rapper Orange Juice Jones. I saw you yeah you Walking in the rain. I love when.
:Spotify has these videos with the song you hold it back. I can't read the artist.
:Oh no, I can't read the artist.
:I saw't know. I don't know who this is. I don't know who this is, let's see. But by the way, how about credit to dave phillips and perry? They both had that 45. Bravo for having a wide range of musical tastes.
:Yeah, yeah, dave Phillips isn't. I mean, I don't know how he lived before fucking Matchbox 20. I don't know how he lived, dave Phillips. I don't know how he survived the 66 years he's been on the planet, or whatever. That song, by the way, way is in the rain by the dramatics. Okay, let me see. I know there's a couple more. Where is it All right? Well, maybe not. Maybe I'll just kind of move on. Oh, you'll know this one.
:Maybe you won't you know what I think heaven is you're not gonna know that.
:I think heaven is you this, believe it or not is the ohio players. I wouldn't have got the infamous funk, fire, roller coaster. I love say what. All right, I know there's one more here that I wanted to uh throw at you why do you, why do you hate matchbox 20 so much? I just think that they're fucking bubble gum. They're, they're, it's, it's mindless music to me yeah I, I don't get, I don't see any um, I don't get anything out of it.
:They have some good songs. I like some of their stuff.
:No, I mean it's everybody's. Everyone has their own taste, right? They have a song called.
:Bright Lights that I like a lot.
:Let's see Come on, uh, come on.
:Hey girl, what's your name?
:I think I already did this one. I did, and all right, I'll. I'm going to move on.
:So I also. I have this um, I have a list of.
:Pull it up. Hey, all right, I'm going to give you six, all right? First of all, name as three-member bands as you can zz top rush triumph.
:emerson lincoln palmer uh. Emerson lincoln powell uh, don't google crosby stills nash, yeah, don't Google Crosby Stills Nash, yeah. Who else Did you know?
:Grand Funk was a three.
:Galaxy 500, grand Funk. Who else Cream? Yep, let's see who else.
:There's two big ones, the Police, yeah, the Police, nirvana, yeah, Nirvana. All right, I have a list of seven here and you've touched on some of them. I want you to give me your order of greatness for three member bands. I don't know if you want to write this down, so the list is not necessarily any order. I want Jack's order, you ready, and for the listeners at home, the Police, rush, cream, zz Top, jimi Hendrix, experience, nirvana, crosby, stills and Nash. Give me your list in order of greatness.
:Your list in order of greatness Point of clarity what?
:did you put with coffee? What was that, mark Smith?
:Come on, jack Coffee, what do you?
:put with coffee. Oh, there you go, mark Smith. No cheating, it's an open book test. Patty, I see said Three Dog Night Okay.
:I don't know that.
:Three Dog Night was. They're not a threesome.
:They kind of are.
:Todd Sockman. Matchbox 20, great content Fuck you.
:I'm almost done.
:Yeah, no problem, no problem. So again for the listeners, the Police, rush, cream, zz Top, jimi Hendrix, experience, nirvana Crosby, stills and Nash. I'm going to get Jack's Order of Greatness and then I'll give you mine.
:Okay, I got it All right, so so bear in mind that they haven't given me a lot of time to think about this Again. I made. I made my list based upon how influential and iconic the bands were. Okay, yep, so I'm going Cream, hendrix, nirvana, csn, the Police, rush and ZZ Top, and the bottom two definitely could be switched one way or the other all right, so let's start from the top.
:What was your first one? Again cream. Okay, and you're saying, because of their influence, and even though some argue that they are the creators of heavy metal.
:Okay, you know the jazz influence, you know they. They blew the doors. They're just a hugely, hugely influential band. Especially if you talk to musicians, right, talk about how important that band was okay.
:What was your second one, hendrix?
:okay again, you know, hugely influential the experience, not jimmy hendrix, not just not, but not band of gypsies, not no. The experience no, jimmy saying they're number two just a hugely influential band, I mean. I mean, you know, think about, how big Hendrix still is.
:I can't argue with your list, I'm just okay. No, I'm all right. Yeah, it's like the argument earlier who's got a better voice? This is going to be your list. I can't dog it either way. So what's number three, nirvana?
:Wow In terms of their influence nirvana nirvana is a huge, huge fucking band okay, all right, yeah, number four I mean, I mean, think about it. Kurt cobain was called the voice of a generation okay, now again, I, I'm, I.
:I can only be surprised, I can't argue with you.
:Unfortunately, unfortunately I mean, that was number four, that was number four no, that was number three. I mean, I mean, think about it, never mind. And I, and I in all honestly I just looked at this Just never mind. That album has sold 30 million copies.
:That's fucking huge. I have to say there's other than reasons why it's at 30 million, but okay.
:Why I think?
:based off it's a great album number one. I think based off it's a great album number one. But number two, the when he killed himself, record sales went through the fucking roof. Of course they always do so. That's an other than factor. These people weren't buying that album before he killed himself. Um number three is um, videos, etc. You know Number three is videos, et cetera. You know that factors into record sales.
:Yeah, you're absolutely right. Their videos were influential on a generation. They call Smell Like Teen Spirit. That video is one of the greatest videos. Oh, it's one of the greatest videos.
:I know exactly where it was when I first saw it. It's one of the greatest videos. Oh, it's one of the greatest videos. I know exactly where it was when I first saw it. It's one of those videos. I was at the Black Angus bar and nightclub in Sacramento and that shit came up on the video screen because in the early 90s, bars had video screens. And that was yeah, perry Lightfingers Dedevich the AI as long as Rush is at the bottom.
:They're close to the bottom of my list and I love Rush.
:That was number three. What's number four for you?
:Crosby, Stills, Nash.
:Okay, number five.
:The Police.
:Number six.
:Do you want to know why? The Police, I think, is a little further down the list, I think, obviously a huge band, very influential. I don't think that their legacy has aged well. I don't think people recognize the genius of the Police like they should.
:Bob Doucette says Nirvana not even the best, like they should. Bob Doucette says Nirvana not even the best grunge band.
:This is a three-person band, yeah but regardless, is Nirvana the greatest grunge band. I would venture to guess, bob Doucette, that if you went to 100 people and said name three grunge bands, 99 of them are gonna say pearl, uh are gonna say nirvana first yeah they, they I'm not saying that you know what you're saying that they're not the best grunge band. Maybe they're not, but you know, it's like the whole marvin gaye thing that we were talking about. It's personal opinion.
:Yeah, I mean they were the face of grunge, yeah. You know, to think that Eddie Vedder is the only. So if you have the father, the son and the Holy Ghost, you know the Holy Trinity of grunge. What would you say it is?
:For me it's Nirvanairvana, pearl jam and sound garden, you know, with alice in chains coming up really close behind I'd say nirvana, uh, alice in chains and pearl jam yeah I and I love sound, but I was a big alice in fan. But think about this for a second. Nirvana never mind has sold 30 million albums worldwide to date. Never mind that Now hold on. Pearl Jam has sold 85 million albums their entire catalog.
:Yeah, no again, I'm not. I like all of them. I like all of them. I never got sick of all of them. I never got sick of nirvana. I never got sick of pearl jam. I never got sick of any of them I stopped listening to them at a certain point, because my tastes change and I go listen to music but I never turn them off like I. Well, I I mean I won't.
:It depends on the mood, but yeah I know I like a lot of the stuff that wasn't as popular, like you know Screaming Trees and Mudhoney. Yeah, yeah, you know there's some really, really great stuff there. Yeah, you know, even some of the punky stuff that influenced grunge, you know, like the Melvins or Husker Du.
:Yeah, the lesser known.
:Yeah, and I'm not saying that who's could do were grunge, but they were definitely the precursors, as were the pixies.
:You know, even jane's addiction had an influence on grunge yeah, yep, uh, so you had, you had the police at number five or six that was number one.
:Two, three, four. That was number five, but five who's number six, zz top okay.
:And number seven rush wow, and I and I could.
:I could switch russian in zz top right, all right.
:My list number one for three, for three I.
:I think they're brilliant. Wait, wait, wait, just give me your list number one is crosby stills and nash.
:Okay, I I can't think that there's another three-person band that was that had more hits and was more influential and had that lasting effect. It's still today. Crosby Stills and Nash can be played. I mean, how much Hendrix do you really hear today? And I'm only going by longevity. I think their songs just have more longevity and they were fucking great. They were three of the greatest artists of their time. Longevity and they were fucking great. They were three of the greatest artists of their time. You know, steven stills came from a fucking extremely successful band that was a hit machine, a money machine in the hollies, and just decided I'm gonna go to california. So he took in the hollies. Never really they did, but they didn't after he left right yeah, yeah so we can go on with all that.
:My number two is cream. Okay, because, uh, I mean just the masterful fucking musicians that they were number one. I don't know how. That's why those three egos did not last that long together so you don't have.
:If you don't Cream, you don't have Led Zeppelin.
:Okay, yeah, you're not going to get any argument out of me for that Number three. I got to say in their short run of what five albums I got to say the police had a huge, huge influence on music in such a short span of time, considering that they were in the video age. And I mean they, they just had, and again, three brilliant musicians almost like cream light almost like cream light.
:You know what I mean. Yeah, you could compare those, those, those musicians, kind of ginger baker, you know, stewart copeland type thing, right? Uh, number four I have rush rush owned a fucking country, albeit a small country, where they owned a fucking country like a three-man band, and they still own that country yeah, but it's influential in prog rock. I mean, prog rock is a what?
:is is? Is the fact that they still own that country because they were so great and they were yeah, or or because there's a lack of talent up in canadia?
:I don't think there is a lack of talent up there.
:I think they have. I'm making a joke.
:I'm making a joke. It wasn't funny if you made me answer it.
:Try to roll with me.
:Your joke has to be funny for me.
:We're already past an hour. I'm running out. No, we're not.
:We're at 58 minutes and 53 seconds. Hang in there. Hang in there, old man. Yeah, I know, because you're so busy right before the 4th of July, I'm sure July 3rd you're going to be in the office tearing it up.
:I'm swamped. I have a 6.30 tea time tomorrow morning.
:Anyway, anyway. So I have the police at number three, I have Rush at number four. At number five, the Jimi Hendrix experience. For obvious reasons, number six. This was begrudgingly, but I put ZZ Top at number six, and you know how much I love ZZ Top.
:Just so fucking steady and consistent and unique and I don't know how influential they really were, because they were so unique in what they did and how they did it. You know what I mean? They were kind of a standalone in that. Who do you compare them to, right? You really there's nobody to compare them to. For a lot of their time they were, you know they were a Texas blues boogie band they owned, the Texasas blues like in that sense right, I mean the talent again, the fucking loaded with talent and three people yeah so number six and number seven.
:I had to put nirvana at number seven okay, yeah, I could not put them ahead of any of these bands that came before them. I really couldn't.
:I don't think you can make the argument. You know Nirvana. I mean, they had such a short run and who knows how long they would have been able to sustain what they had done. But I think in the let's play rock and Roll Hall of Fame, if you have to induct a band off this list, nirvana is getting into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame before ZZ Top is.
:ZZ Top's not in yet.
:No, they're in.
:Yeah, not so.
:Yeah.
:But Nirvana, I mean, look not, I can't take anything away from uh. Perry denovich says. I gotta say I was surprised by both selections. Really cool, all right, that's yeah. That's kind of how we think about.
:I'd like to know perry's order. Not that I'm questioning him, and I appreciate his unbiased diplomatic comment.
:So Mark Smith, music relish guru, said Black Flag had a huge influence on grunge too. Yep, yep, absolutely so. If you're listening and these are the I don't know if you I'm curious to Perry and Mark and whoever's listening to Perry and Mark and whoever's listening what their list would be out of the Police, rush, cream, zz Top, jimi Hendrix, experience, nirvana, crosby, stills and Nash. I'd be curious if they want to comment in with their list. Anybody that's listening, put your list up. Moving Pictures is their only good album for like.
:Todd. So todd sarkman like you're supposed to say.
:Who's there like? Who taught you how to write? This guy was the chief of police who taught you how to how to write. If you're making a comment, you need to put the subject matter in there. Moving pictures is russia's only good album. Their is too general All right. Mark Smith adds a band that's not in the fucking list. Okay, here we go.
:Well, look at Steve Stevens. He says that the Yodbird should be first. They weren't a three-piece.
:Yeah, we're talking three-piece band, we're talking three members.
:And Todd Sogman, Moving Pictures is their only good album. It's a ridiculous statement, Well he's a ridiculous man. That's the only album that you like. It's the only one he knows which is fine, which is fine. It's the only one he knows, but Rush has some tremendous albums.
:Their musicianship is amazing.
:They don't move you, so that's cool. Not everybody's a Rush fan.
:Let's see Mark Smith, of course. Course he's going to add a group, because there's always one person in the fucking audience wants to add don't go with what we're giving you. Uh, you got to add. So he says I would put elp near the top simply because, know, we might have touched on this maybe I talked to mark and lou about this at one point um, the bands with the most band members, and this is over time yeah, we've talked about this we have.
:Okay, I'm going to give you one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten it's like 11 or 12 bands, and we're going to start with acdc. Over time, how many band members has acdc had?
:uh, I, I'm gonna guess and say 11 20.
:Right, okay, blue oyster cult, which you know what I so I heard something the other day. I want these real saying best band names and I always loved band names. I always love romeo, void, psychedelic furs, I always loved those names, the smiths, you know, uh, those are just great band names, right, this blue? Blue oyster cult is a pretty fucking cool name if you break it down. We hear it so much growing up that you never really took the name into consideration. But blue oyster cult is a pretty cool fucking name. How many band members have they had over time Blue Oyster Cult?
:So I'm going to say 15.
:22. King Crimson. How many band members have King Crimson had?
:28.
:All right, mark Smith is just being he's that guy. Tonight have King Crimson had 28. All right, mark Smith is just being he's that guy. Tonight he comments in Cream ELP, crosby, stills and Nash Rush Police ELP.
:Fucking asshole. Maybe, hey, maybe, he's being kidnapped and he just can't type H.
:Oh, you just got some gasoline doused on you by Big Head Todd the Wet Sprocket. Hey Jack, there are no wrong answers here, as Scott likes to say.
:Do you know where Blue Oyster Cult got their name?
:I think I've heard it before, but I forget.
:Their manager had written a poem and used that phrase. It doesn't really have any meaning. Part of the Blue Oyster Cult. If they had the at the, it doesn't really have any meaning.
:Part of the blue oyster cut. If they had that at the beginning it would change the whole dynamic of the name the blue oyster, the blue oyster cult.
:But anyway uh, I, I think I answered this. What did I say? 28 interrupted 28, 22 oh shit, that's what I was gonna. I think that's what I said earlier. I don't know Big.
:Head Todd interrupted 28. 22. Oh shit, that's what I was going to. I think that's what I said earlier. How many band members?
:over time has Hart had 30. 29. Oh off by one.
:How many band members over time has Jethro Tull had?
:33.
:23. I'm not going in chronological order 23. How many. This one surprised me. How many band members over time has black sabbath had?
:uh, all right, I'm gonna try to put a little thought into this one how many band members over time has black sabbath had?
:I was shocked.
:I'm gonna, I'm to say 12.
:27.
:What.
:I'm just saying that's what it said. They have had 27 members from the beginning to the end. I don't know. I'm just saying Leonard Skinner. How many band members has Leonard Skinner had over time? 28. Steve Stevens keeps guessing six. He just keeps writing six. How many has? Was it Leonard Skinner? How many have they had? 28. 27. How many band members has Quiet Riot had over the years?
:Jesus Christ. Right, I know All right, so I'm going to say 19.
:27 again. How many band members over time has Whitesnake had?
:26.
:41. 41. 41 members of that band over time. Ah, let me see. Uh-oh. Steve Stevensvens, I can list them. You are referring to fake news about black sabbath, okay?
:I, I know, yeah, you know what you know. What steve is not factoring in is they went through that period in the 80s where they had just a uh, rotating cast of characters.
:I'm looking at it right now Just to go out on the road as Black Sabbath. Yeah, yeah, yeah See, Steve Stevens, don't you ever question milk crates and turntables again?
:How many members have been in milk crates and turntables?
:Let me see One. Do you know how many?
:It depends how you classify it, including me, including me.
:How many people have been on this show? More than one show?
:I'm going to say 12. No.
:It's been other than me, uh, it's five with me. So I had tom spalone came on for a little while, mark's friend, and then mark and lou came on, and then you, you came back well, what about?
:I thought you had talon a couple of times no, he's just did call-ins.
:He was never a, you think I can fucking deal with that official. An official unpaid you want to you want to talk. It's people. It will either fucking it the the viewers will go to zero or they'll go to a thousand. If he's on just out of fascination, could be dave phillips, king of the 45s. Good night, it's. It's 8 30. He's got to go to bed. Yeah, so do I. This is the last one. This is the last one. How many band members through time has santana had?
:45, 68, that doesn't surprise me.
:That's insane. He always has a big ensemble with them anyways, doesn't he? Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. Yeah, you know them. Latin bands Can't just be two, like Cheech and Chong. No, all right, here we go. I've been on for a whole episode. No, he hasn't. Steve Stevens is naming how many listeners? Okay, yeah, that's his Steve Stevens. Jack, you are right, but I don't consider the fake representatives for Black Sabbath to be real news. But, thank you, and he is a diehard Sabbath fan from the beginning.
:Is he going? Steve, are you going over to Birmingham? I don't know. Did you hear about that last show that they're doing? What a fucking lineup uh, I hate santana.
:I give their album, I give albums away, fucking santana albums. Uh, I, I haven't. I've seen all the drama. They pulled a band and someone's arguing with sharon osborne and there's this. That and I'm I don't fucking care at this point.
:Yeah, but have you looked at the? So it's obviously Black Sabbath, right, ozzy doing some solo stuff. But then, in addition, it's Metallica Guns N' Roses, slayer Tool, pantera, gajera, hailstorm, alice in Chains, lama, god, anthrax, mastodon and a super group consisting of Billy Corgan, david Jamin, duff, mckagan, fred Durst, jonathan Davis, wolfgang Van Halen although I think he pulled out and Tom Morello.
:That's a great band. I like that band. I would go just to see that band.
:Yeah.
:Because they're all friends. All right, buddy, that band, yeah, because they're all friends. Hey, buddy, get off the show. Goodbye everybody fucking.
:Well, hey, jack, have a very safe and happy fourth of july.
:Yes, don't play with fireworks yeah, yeah, go go light off some bottle rockets, stick them up your ass get off the.
:You stick them up, no, you stick them up, get off the show. He's off the show. No, you stick him up, get off the show. He's off the show. He's done. Good night, jack. Wait, he's still fucking. No, he's gone. Okay, all right. Well, that's it everybody. That's it.
:I would do this day in music, but I have to go. It's 830. I got to go to bed? No, I don't, I. But you know, as I always say, thanks for watching, thanks for listening. If you like it, share it. This is a pretty good episode. If you didn't like it, well, thanks for watching or listening.
:For an hour and 13 minutes, patty Yossi's had a great show. Have a wonderful 4th of July to everybody. You too. Patricia and Steve Stevens, my brother, my brother, mark Smith I love Mark Smith. And Barry Dedevich, my buddies. Big Head, todd the wet sprocket he's a pain in my ass but I love him. Bob Doucette, music man, the Joker, my buddy. I can go down the list, but I want everybody to have a good, happy, safe 4th of July. Me and Dr Vero will be up in the beautiful St Augustine. They have an amazing 4th of July. Great show. Jack Fucking Mark Smith. Ah, the beautiful. Tiffany Van Hill Did I say the beautiful? Even her name is beautiful. I'm just saying that she's my friend. I can say that that's all there is to it. The beautiful Tiffany Van Hill said goodnight, happy Independence Day. See how proper she is. She doesn't say happy 4th of July, she says happy Independence Day. She's very proper. Yes and yes, tiffany, I won't be there, of course, on Friday. I don't know who I won't be there, of course, on friday.
:I don't, I don't know who's gonna be there, um, but I'll see you next week when I get back, yep, heading to the beautiful saint augustine, although it's supposed to be a little rainy, but I don't, I love it up there and I will be back next thursday. We'll be back on schedule. I don't know if jack will be here, but, uh, I'll have somebody. Maybe, or maybe it's just me, but again, I just want to say thank you and, as I always say, doing the show for you, to quote my favorite artist, morrissey, the pleasure, the privilege is mine and I will see you, and you will hear me and you will see me next week.
