Milk Crates and Turntables. A Music Discussion Podcast
Milk Crates and Turntables is a Music Discussion Podcast. Each week Scott chooses a different music topic and discuss and debate the good, the bad and the ugly side of that particular topic. Maybe you'll agree or maybe you'll disagree. Listen in and find out.
Milk Crates and Turntables. A Music Discussion Podcast
We Revisit Reunions, Breakups, Awards, And The Legends We Lost To Make Sense Of 2025 In Music
A loose, late-night New Year’s Eve rewind of 2025 in music, from wild reunions and messy breakups to the losses that hit hardest and the awards that rang hollow. We talk plainly about fan respect, legacy weight, and why some moments lit up while others fell flat.
• the 5.6.7.8s discovery story and the power of crate digging
• year-end scope of reunions, disbandments, and hiatuses
• rants on awards, HOF snubs, and legacy bias
• memorials for artists lost across the year
• Stones winning while young rock struggles
• the Nirvana name debate and identity of reformations
• Garbage tour backlash and the fan-artist contract
• underappreciated standouts like Deftones and Ghost
• prog’s pulse with Steven Wilson and concept albums
• hopes for 2026 with more shows and Jack’s return
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What's up, everybody?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Scott McLean:Happy New Year's Eve.
Speaker 1:Fucking jamming. Yeah. The five, six, seven, eight. You might remember this song from the movie Kill Bill.
Scott McLean:Yeah. At the Japanese club. When the crazy eighty eights.
Speaker 1:Five, six, seven, eight, three Japanese chicks.
Scott McLean:Let's play server music. I can't beat that. I'm gonna copyright hit on this on YouTube as usual. Yeah.
Speaker 1:What's that? I look like Jem Monspiel. Yeah. Yeah, baby, what else do you do?
Speaker 2:I talk like Jem Mouse Pill.
Speaker 1:Yes, you do. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Hey daddy yo. Cool, Daddy Hu.
Scott McLean:Yeah, alright, alright. I'm gonna I already I already went way over the um baby come on now.
Speaker 1:Ooh. Yeah. The 5678s. Go download them. Go listen to them.
Scott McLean:You know, it's funny, you see that movie Kill Bill, that came out a while ago. And you see these three Japanese women, they're playing the surfing, and it's a real group. They were they were just not discovered, but Quentin Tarantino, the story goes, he was in Japan and he was filming Kill Bill, and he went into a record store, like every normal person should do when they go to another country. You should always go to a record store if you go to a foreign country. I'm going back to the Philippines in March. I'm already looking for record stores in Manila. Yeah, and I will bring back some Japanese imports. You get some cool shit over there you would never see over here. Anyway, Grant Tarantino goes in and he hears this song. And he he says to the uh the clerk, who's a Japanese kid, he's like, hey, who is this? And he says, Oh, it's the 5678s. He says, Hey, can I can I can I buy this cassette? And he goes, Well, it belongs to the store. He says, I really want to buy this cassette. And the dude's like, Well, I have to ask my manager. He says, Can you ask him manager? So the guy calls, da-da-da. One thing leads to another. Grantantino buys the cassette uh from the store that was that belonged to the store, and then he somehow tracks down the five, six, seven, eights, and he says, I want you in my movie. And so when you see them in the Kill Bill movie, you see that scene in the club, again, with the crazy 88s, one of the greatest fight scenes in the history of movies. Um, they really were playing. That, like they just came in and they played their three songs. That was not, that was them playing. There wasn't a make pretend band. They it was and it was recorded the way they played it. It was a live recording. It's fucking amazing. It's amazing. So that's the story of the five, six, seven, eights and killbill. Got a lot of stories like that. But tonight, tonight, what I'm doing is, well, it's a New Year's Eve show. Let me check so I see uh oh Mark Big Bubba Flynn says, hey, daddy oh. And then uh Bob Kurtman, aka Dr. Pork Chop. Good evening, brother. Good evening to you too. So uh this is a year-end episode, and it just happens to fall on one of the days I usually do this podcast, either Wednesday or Thursday, right? And I'm not doing anything on fucking New Year's Eve. The fuck with there's nothing. I said to somebody the other day, there's nothing on New Year's Eve that I could possibly do that I didn't already do when I was full of fire and debauchery back in the day. We went over the top. It was literally sex and drugs and rock and roll on New Year's Eve. And it was fun. And I have no regrets that I can remember because there were some New Year's Eve blackouts also. So I know I'm not alone there. But you know, we lived right in Boston was like fucking center of the universe for us on New Year's Eve. We were right there when we grew up. So it was great, great New Year's Eve, but uh the New Year's Eve is for the rookies and the youngsters that uh that it's time for them to get their experience. As long as they're not doing massive amounts of cocaine and drinking excessively starting at noon and carrying it over into late in the morning, uh, I think then the kids are fine. Kids are fine. But as long as they're not doing those things, then I I'm good with that. And I think I think I'm pretty safe. But then again, I think my mother said the same thing. I think she said, but you know, kids today cannot fuck around with cocaine. It's just no. No, that it's just it's fucking fentanyl. And that's all you I don't have to talk to you about that. Anyway, we're doing a year-end, doing a year-end um review. It's gonna cover bands that that that re uh regrouped, got back together again. We're gonna talk about bands that uh bands that uh broke up this year, and you know, we all talk about deaths, and there was there was a bunch of them. You know, it's funny. We forget what happened at the beginning of the year. We forget the people that passed away at the beginning of the year. Um it usually gets overshadowed by later in the year, of course. A lot happens, so we're gonna cover all that. Uh I hope you all had a good year. I did not particularly have the greatest year ever. It was probably one of the worst years ever, but I'm here. I'm I'm it's it's now and I'm doing good, and 2026 is gonna be a big year. And uh I took about a month off for the holidays, for you know, Thanksgiving and Christmas. So uh I talked to Jack today. For those of you that might not know, Jack is the original co-host who comes and goes as he pleases. He's and uh he he misses milk crates and turntables. So he will be back in 2026, uh, hopefully more often. It's always a fun show when Jack comes on. You never know what to expect. So uh with that, let's let's get into uh the year in music that was 2025. Uh what do we got here? Let's pull this up. Here we go. So I'm gonna go over here. All right, where do we want to start? Let's start with um uh let's get that off the screen. There you go. I don't care about awards. The Grammy Awards, nobody fucking watches them anymore. The Brit Awards, same as the Grammy Awards. Who cares about the Juno Awards? MTV Music Awards. I don't know why they even have that anymore. Nobody cares. The only people that care is industry people. And uh, so I'm not even gonna bother with that stuff. Pulitzer Prize for music. Didn't even know they fucking had one. Uh so you know, if Mick Jagger hasn't won the Pulitzer Prize for music, then I don't know. Uh it doesn't exist to me. Anyways, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Uh that's always a piece of shit fucking organization. Uh performers, bad company. No, no. Chubby Checker, Joe Cocker, Cindy Lauper, Outcast, Soundgarton, White Stripes, Musical Influences, Salt and Pepper, Warren Zevon, I'm at Who Cares? Bands That Formed, I don't think anybody really fucking cares about bands that formed. Let's just look for some fucked up names, though. Is there any like back in the day, you get like, you know, the a group called Shit My Pants, right? That's what you would get. Let me open up the chat. Let me see the chat here. Hold on. I'm gonna move this over here. Let's put it. Should I put I'll put the chat on the screen? What the hell? Let's see who pops up. People like to see this stuff come up. So yeah, there we go. Okay. Um Bands that reformed, Alabama Shakespeare, heard of them, never listened to them. Uh Alpha Beat, nope. The band Perry, nope. The beta band, nope. There's a lot of jokes right there that just popped into my head. The beta mail band, yeah, that's that's one half of Congress. The beta mail band. Uh, but I will not get political. A Black Sabbath farewell concert only. Is that a reformed? Do you consider that reformed? You know what I mean? Like they get together for one show. Is that I don't know. I guess. I guess technically. Uh Chapter House, never. The click five, never. Fifth Harmony, nope. G Friend, Girl Set, Grizzly Bear. Fountains of Wayne, that's a 90s band. Never really listened to them. They had some music on the radio, but nothing really. You know, I killed the prom queen. Ooh, that's edgy. Shut the fuck up. Get out of it. Uh, I don't know. Let live. You know, it's all one word, right? Bands. Uh, Mamashiba, no tigan. No, no, no. Minus the band. Nope, nope. Momo land, Momo. Uh Riley, Relo, Kylie. I don't know. Rush? Rush. Right? Is it really Rush, though? So that's the question. Two out of three got together. Is that Rush? It wasn't like Neil Peart was like a second string drummer to them, like, you know, drummer number three. Uh, but nah, I guess, I guess Sugar and Triumph. Triumph got back together. Again, I think I know two of their songs. Never was really a Triumph fan. Didn't like that music. Let's get into bands that disbanded. Okay, 12 Rods. Nope. Never heard of you. Amadeo and Merriam. Nope. Nope. Andy and Lucas. Nope. As one. Nope. Buys. Nope. Cannabis Corpse. I've heard of them. That's a kind of a punk rock band. Coin, nope. Crystal Vapor, nope. Deepump, Gummy Inc., I don't know. Eternal Tears of Sorrow. Flow and Eddie. Gel Jesus Peace. The International Swingers. Never heard of any of these bands that broke up. Kind of like Spitting, Luminous, Lynch Mob, Lynch Mob, Lynch Mob, Mew, Murder by Death, One Money Left, Orange Goblin. Ozzy Osborne Band. Well, that that's because Ozzy died. There's no really, no need to really stay together anymore, right? Parrage Radio, Purple Kiss, The Pillows, Ario Speedwagon. That was the whole thing with the lead singer. What's this? Cronin? Michael Cronin or something. They uh they had a big falling out. That's kind of like the Chicago thing with Peter Sotera and the rest of the band. Like uh they just don't like each other anymore. Him versus the rest of the band. Uh The Searchers, shopping, Soft Cell, because one of the guys died. One half of Soft Cell died this year. We'll get to that. Uh, you know, their famous song Tainted Love. Kind of a one-hit wonder. Uh Sum 41, that was a 90s band. But it never really made it out of the 90s. Superkind, tennis, thank you, I'm sorry. Tokyo, the Turtles. The Turtles. Is that like the Turtles? You know? Oh Tiffany, the beautiful, the beautiful Tiffany Van Hill has entered the comment section, the live stream. The beautiful Tiffany Van Hill, who is going to have an amazing 2026. She's an amazing young woman who's going to do amazing things. The beautiful Tiffany Van Hill. Or is it Van? I always say that to her. I'm only messing around. I say Van Hill. That's it. That's the name. That's the way it goes. Uh, Void of Vision, never heard of Whitesnake. What incarnation of Whitesnake broke up this time? Right? Right? If you look at the the revolving door that is Whitesnake, uh, yeah, did they really? Uh-oh, uh-oh. Let me see. Perry Lightfingers the AI Devich says uh Scott and Jack will be reuniting in 2026. That's the band is getting back together, but but then it's it's it's like the police. It's just tumultuous. Me and Jack are like Stuart Copeland and Sting. And I'll be Stuart Copeland because he's more like Sting, pretentious, self-righteous, you know, egocentric, the whole thing. Uh-uh. The beautiful Tiffany has said, what did she say? That's the way it goes. We are both going to have an amazing 2026. Can't wait to see what's in store. I I do know that you will be at my party on January 10th. I I do know that. There's Tiffany Van Hill. You will be at my party on January 10th at Casa McVera 2.0. Uh and you and me at 6. Okay. Bands on hiatus, cross code orange, cross faith. Nobody cares. All right, let's get into the uh let's get into the the stuff that everybody wants to know. Who died this year? Let's see. Uh Wayne Osman. Wayne Osmond died on January 1st. He was 73 years old from the Osmond Brothers. That is, if you are a boomer or maybe even a Gen Xer, if you're a Gen Xer, early version, Gen X, the only Gen X that matters. Um you know, you've heard of the Osman Brothers. You know who Wayne Osman is. Uh, let me see. Moving forward. Not really. In June. That was January. It was still early, though. Indian past, South Africa. You know, when I did this, I used to do this with Lou and Mark, and I would I would kind of single out these things in advance, but I fucking get nothing but time. It's New Year's Eve. I'm not doing anything. You can hang out with me all you want. Yes, the beautiful Tiffany says, see you there. Well, I see you on Friday. Ah, that's that's 50-50. Tiff. That's 50-50. I'll try. Let me see. Um Garth Hudson, right? Garth Hudson from the band. Yeah. Garth Hudson from the band passed away on uh January 21st, 2025. He was 87. Jesus Christ. You know, this is where you start, really. Like the last few years, you're like, that motherfucker was 87? Like, you don't, I, you know, I know I'm not alone in this. Just don't think of that stuff. Right? Like, you don't you don't see the guy. Like, he's with the band. He's like, what the fuck? 87. All right. And this isn't gonna be the first or the last. Uh let me see. What else do we got? That's January. Marianne Faithful. Marianne Faithful. Um, I don't know if you've heard this. This was this is the song I I heard of Marianne Faithful, but this is the song that uh really like turned me on to Marianne Faithful. And there's probably a lot of you out there that are like, who the fuck is Marianne Faithful? I could go into it, Mick Jagger, the whole thing. Um look her up. Look her up. She was a very interesting character. Where it is, Monday with you and mine, yesterday go away tomorrow. Oh, she did a version of Sister Morphine. Let's see what this sounds like. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Tell me, sister morphy, when I come in round again.
Scott McLean:Yeah. Alright, let me see. Let me get let me try to find this one song. Uh I don't know. Let me see. I don't know the name of the song. Anyway, okay. I don't want to get too much into Mary and Faithful, but let's see. In February, who died? Ah da da. No one really. Irv Gotti. Irv Gotti record producer, Murder Inc. Records. If you're a hip-hop guy, you've heard of Irv Gotti. He was only 54. Uh, who else? In February. No one really. February, as I say. Don't fuck with me about that. I say it right, you say it wrong. Roberta Flack, 88! Fuck. She was 88. All right, beautiful Tiffany Van Hill. Good night. Happy New Year. Don't do anything. Just be just go to be nice. Go to bed. That's it. Go to bed. Ah in March. Let me see who died in March. Nobody really. Not that I always say that and then so DJ Funk. Bill Ashton. No one really likes. There's a lot of people. Fucking lot of people died of music in February. I know I'm missing some people. You know what I can do? I could probably just try to say significant people. But they're all significant. They're all significant. Like very I don't know. It's like you just don't realize how many people in the music died like early. You only hear about the big ones, though, right? Go through this is gonna be a long fucking list. I don't know. Rick Derringer, Rick Derringer, American rock singer, rock and roll, Hoochie Koo. He was a guitarist for the McCoys before he went solo. Rick Derringer, 77 years old. See that I see that, but when these fucking guys are 80s, you know. But I don't think Rick Derringer really did any. You know what Rick Derringer was? He was more of a producer after he hit that rock and roll Hoochie Q thing. Um Sly Stone. Sly and the Family Stone. He died on uh June 10th. I'm already up to June. All right, that's good. He was 82. He had a rough second half of his life. Yeah. But uh he was definitely an innovator. Sly Sly Stone. Sly and the family stone. There was no one ever liked them before or after. Mick Ralphs from Mot the Hoople and Bad Company. Mick Ralph died on what month are we in now? June. Still in June. So we lost those two. Wow. June 23rd, Mick Ralph's 81. See, this is the shit. This is what they were talking about, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in fucking bad company. They snubbed him, snubbed him, snubbed him. Next thing you know, Mick Ralphs dies, and then you have, you know, uh he they can't play. They can't play because uh what's his name? Lead singer was uh sick. Couldn't really fucking sing anymore. And so what? They get put into the Rocker Hall of Fame. And then they turn around and like, oh, we yeah, we made a mistake there. Make a mistake every fucking year. The go-go's before bad company. I can that's still a thing. Like fucking Carly Simon before fucking bad company. Really? Cheryl Crow. Cheryl fucking crow before bad company. Fucking really. This is a generation of fucking morons at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And music in general. They're just all fucking. They don't give a fuck either. They don't care. Uh let me see. Tim Cronin, he was a drummer for Monster Magnet. They were a 90s band. They had one hit. Let's see. Connie Francis. Connie Francis died. I think we all know who Connie Francis is. If you're a boomer or early stage Gen X, or you know who Connie Francis are. Who's sorry now? Who's sorry now? She was one of those people, like when TV was TV and there was no cable and it was just like regular TV. Even at the early stages of cable, they had these fucking commercials, and it was for old, like it was for like old older music, and it was for our parents. You know, and you could, you know, and they would fucking advertise, you know, uh, all these like greatest hits, and Connie Francis was on all of them, like old country hits and shit like that. And she was he was always on them. Yeah, Connie Francis. Legend in the in the country world. All right, who else did we lose? Malcolm Jamal Warner. We lost Malcolm Jamal Warner, Theo. Theo, right? Lost from the Cosby show. Malcolm Jamal Warner, he was a jazz poet and bassist also. He died on July 20th, 2025. Chuck Magioni. Chuck Magioni died two days later in '84. Again, Boomer, Jen X, so you know Chuck Mangioni. That's that's me playing the trumpet. I'm too they're pretty good. Yeah, that's me. And then fucking the same day, Ozzy dies. You think Chuck Van Joni got anything? Chuck Van Joni got fucking totally doused in gasoline. He should have been celebrated. But Ozzy, Ozzy stole his thunder. Because Ozzy died on the same day. That's that's not good. Anyone that died, even that week, even in that same week, got overshadowed. Maybe even the month, the whole fucking year. I think Ozzy overshadowed all of them. I don't think we're gonna get anybody bigger than Ozzy that died this year. I I might I might have forgotten, but let's see. And you know, the whole Ozzy thing and the show that he got to do that show one last time. That was, I mean, he lived for that show. He literally lived for that show and then it was over. Then it was over. Ah, let's see. Who else died uh in the summertime? In the summertime when the winter's uh choo hooy, Sheila Jordan. No, no, no, no. You go see, then you go on these stretches. It's good that you don't find them, though. I mean, this is a good thing, believe it or not. I mean, it might not be good, good, as we say, good radio, but it's good that I'm not finding a lot of our people like that mainstream people that that died, maybe because a lot of them had already died, but now we're into September. We're almost out of it. We're almost out of it. Let me see. I know we had some toward the end of the Rick Davies, right? Rick Davies from Supertramp. He died September 6th, 2025. He was 81. So Rick Davies went. This is kind of a you know, Alan Cole. He was a Jamaican songwriter. Uh let's see, who else? Uh again, good that we don't really stumble into a lot of them. We're getting into October now. Into October. Uh Ace Freely. There you go. Ace Freely, 74 years old. That was kind of a weird fucking thing. Came out of nowhere, right? He fell, cracked his head, and that kind of just set off a series of bad events that caused him to just fucking died. Ace Freely. No matter how much Kiss tried to shake him, when I say KISS, I mean Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley. They could never shake him. They they shook Peter Chris. Peter Chris kind of just faded. He didn't have the personality that Ace Freely had. But Ace was always lingering around. Like his name never died, right? Ace's name never died. He was always around. They could not shake him. And there was some bad blood for a while there. I don't know if they kissed and made up, but there was definitely some bad blood for a while. But Ace, you know, he had that back in the New York Groove thing, and he had a little bit of a run, but then just like all these old rock stars, new stars, they've they kind of fade off for a little while. You knew he was there, but he wasn't really doing anything. And then it's like all of a sudden there's this renaissance, right? There's this renaissance and boom, up pops you know, up pops Ace Freely. Excuse me. And like he was always around. So all right, we're into November now. We're almost done as far as you know, big names. I'm sure I missed somebody. Uh Gilson Lavist, he was the drummer for Squeeze, Jules Holland and his rhythm blues orchestra. Uh just you know squeeze is a great band. Squeeze is a great band. Todd Snyder, no. Think that might have been the one. I somebody died recently, I think. Manny, Manny, the bass uh bass player for the Stone Roses and Primal Scream Scream. Uh, if you weren't into the Manchester scene, if you weren't into shoe gays or that Brit Pop, they weren't really Brit pop, but uh the Stone Roses were uh I mean extremely influential in in that scene. They only really they were like a shooting star. Um they self-destructed and uh what was that? They self-destructed, unfortunately, but they had their first album is a fucking legendary album. It's it's not for everybody. I can say this, and people are gonna go, well, I don't like it. I already had somebody say that before. They're like, this is garbage. And I'm like, yeah, you don't really know what you're talking about, but if it's not your thing, it isn't. But that first Owen Rose's album is fucking epic. And uh they were a great band, but they just they played their cards wrong. Uh, let me see, Jelly Bean Johnson, I don't know, American funk drummer, yep. Who else? Jimmy Cliff. Jimmy Cliff, Jamaican reggae singer, songwriter. Again, he was 81. Jimmy Cliff with the infamous, I think it was, I'm pretty sure it was Jimmy Cliff, when uh he was on Saturday Night Live. He was the musical guest, and he was singing his song Don't Look Back. And uh Out of Nowhere, and it was live, Mick Jagger comes on comes on the set, comes on the stage, starts singing with him. Pretty sure it was planned, but we didn't know it was gonna happen. It's one of the greatest moments in the the the music segment of Saturday Night Live. Mick Jagger and Jimmy Cliff. I've got on a walk and don't look back. Let me see something. Let's let's pull that song. Let me see if I can pull that up. Uh Jimmy Cliff. He did a version of I Can See Clearly now, too. I don't know why I can't find these songs. Don't look back. Greatest hits. Hard Road to Travel. I don't know. I'm not gonna go through all this again. Fucking greatest hits. He has a lot of songs. I'm not even gonna. I'm Jimmy Clifford, but I'm not that big of a fan. Moving on into December. We're almost done here, people. We're almost done. Who's the last person to die? Who's the last great Brock star of the year to die? Uh doesn't look like, fortunately, fortunately, it doesn't look like Joe Eli. Let's see. Stu Phillips. No, I think we think we made it out. That was it. That was it. I think I passed a couple of people. I know this. I know I missed a couple of people. Now let's see what happened in music. Let's see what happened in uh if there was any uh dual albums released. Let's go into bands formed, reformed, disbanded, bands on hiatus, specific genres, albums released. I don't know what's specific genre. Let's go into rock. See what this pulls up. Oh, this is like what happened throughout the year. Forms for a surprise. What was this? What? Okay. January 2025. Nirvana reforms for surprise brief performance at Fire Aid. You cannot say that fucking Nirvana reformed without Kirk Cobain. You could say the band members from Nirvana reformed. Chris Novaselek, Dave Grohl, Pat Smear, four separate female vocalists in place of, of course, blah, blah, blah. Kim Gordon of Sonic Youth from School, Joan Jett, and Grohl's daughter, Violet Grohl. All apologies. But you can't say Nirvana reformed. Say the band members got back together again. Grammy Awards, nobody cares. What is this? The 60s, is this fucking 2025? The 67th are held. Classical rock acts perform well. The Beatles win the best rock performance for one of their final recordings to be released now and then. Rolling Stones win best rock album for their first album in 18 years. How does I don't know. I don't know about that. I don't know about that. If you heard anything about that uh that album, let me know. Drop it in the comments. I I didn't hear much about that album that would make me think that they won album of the year. That maybe and I good. I'm glad to see it. I'm glad to see it. Because music today, rock music today, pretty much sucks. And it's pretty sad. It's great, but it's sad at the same time when a band that's been around for what 50, 54 years now or some shit like that, wins best album of the year. When you're losing to a group of 80-year-olds and you're a fucking young rock band, what is wrong with you? Does that not say anything about the fucking industry today? Or does that say that the voters of the Grammy Awards are just fucking morons and they're just being nostalgic and they and they vote this in like a sympathy vote type thing? I don't know. You might be able to flip a coin on that, but I I don't know. I like I said, if I was in a band, light fingers Perry Denovich, the AI, says Rolling Stones put on a record? Exactly. Oh, and by the way, I I caught this one. I caught this one last night. Get this. The the Rolling Stones have canceled their European tour in 2026. The tour that they never announced. And I'm not making this up. The motherfucking Rolling Stones, they they were talking about, hey, we might. We might come out on the road. We might. And then all of a sudden, yesterday, there's this big fucking announcement. The Rolling Stones cancel their tour, their European tour. There was no fucking tour announced. There was no announcement to cancel. So I don't know what the fuck that was about. I try to keep up on these things. Let me see. Yeah, again, if you're if you're a fucking band of 20-year-old, 20-something year olds, and you lost to the Rolling Stones, or even if you're in your 30s and you've put out and you're losing to a band that's they don't even have their original drummer, they don't have their original bass player, you know, like it's just basically the three of them. Um I don't know. I I don't know what to say about that. I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing. Again, let me let me know what you think. Let me know what you think in the comments. Uh let's see. English to the Japanese rock band. Well, what happened to March? English rock band Jethro Tull releases the 24th studio album. I I I guess they might fucking win a Grammy too. Maybe this year. They'll win a Grammy for an album they made last year. Because rock and roll sucks now. New young rock and roll fucking bites balls. Yeah. I'm sorry to say, there's some good ones out there. Uh oh, wait, wait, wait. Mark Smith, Mark Smith from the great Music Relish podcast, Music Relish show. Uh, also with uh Lightfinger Peridovich, the AI, uh, behind the helm of that. Uh, English rock musician Steve Wilson, frontman for Porcupine Tree, Mark Smith was must have been all over this. I'm sure he was. Uh, releases his eighth solo studio album. Uh, it's a concept album themed around the idea of the overview effect. Why, why, why, why? Like, you're an old rock guy, Steve Wilson, and you're making a concept album. Today's fucking generation does not give two fucks about concept albums. Unless you're just putting it out to put it out because this is what they do, right? He he might not be putting it out to win anything or to you know sell records. He just has a contract with a record company and he just puts out records. And but I don't know. I don't know who your target audiences, porcupine tree fans. I don't know how big that is. Mark Smith, don't get all fucking edgy with me if you're listening, or when you hear this, if you even hear it. Uh let me see. It although the album, all right, it's consisting of two approximately 20-minute long songs. It debuts in the top three of five separate national album charts. Uh, the overview is the eighth studio album, blah, blah, blah, featuring a return to the progressive rock sound after Wilson previously moved into more electronic territory with his other stuff. Well, good for you, Steve Wilson. You might have just proven me wrong, but uh still. And so then what does that say about new? Is there even new progressive rock? Is that is that like a dead genre for this generation? Or is prog rock always going to be a thing? I don't know. Uh, what else do we got? Epic release, Swedish punk band Viagra Boys released of ooh, that's edgy. Uh Machine Head releases their 11th studio album. Okay. Swedish rock band Ghost released it. That's kind of a weird. That this there's something about the lead singer of that band, Ghost, that uh people either like him or they don't. He he's a he's a character, like he has this whole persona on stage. I believe it's makeup and masks and shit like that. And uh yeah, he I hear shit about that every once in a while. Like it's either a love hate thing with that guy, I guess. And the band. If you if you don't like the lead singer, you usually don't like the band, right? See Lincoln Pac headlines, the opening ceremony of the 2025 UEFA Champions League. Is it Lincoln Pac? Is it is it Lincoln Pac, really? I don't know. Danish rock band Vol Beat. I don't know. Alice Cooper releases their eighth studio album, The Revenge of Alice Cooper. It is their first studio album in over 50 years. Debuts in the top 10 of seven separate national album charts. Here you go. There is fucking young music getting killed again. Getting killed. In August, the Deftones, they're still kicking it, released their 10th studio album, Private Music. Deftones are so underrated. They are just so underrated and overlooked. They're just a fucking great band. I saw them back up corn some years back. And they were just a fucking great band. They're tight. Ah, Swedish Garage Rock Band, The Hives, released their seventh studio album. What happened in September? 21 Pilots releases their eighth studio album. That's a 90s band, I believe. Nine Inch Nails released the Tron Ares soundtrack. Blah, blah, blah. And it bombed as big as the fucking movie did, that's for sure. Albums released. Franz Ferdinand, they're still around. If you've never heard of him, well, I don't. I'm not surprised. Manic Street Preachers. Is that again? I think one of their the lead singers died from that, right? From that band a while ago. If you know, you know. She through Tulf, blah, blah, blah. Never liked them, never will. The Darkness. The Darkness is kind of a funny band. Magnolia Park, Superhaven, Viagra Boys, Heart Attack, Man, Machine Head, Ghost. These are all like these are all bands that like the Rolling Stones beat out. Garbage. So let's talk about let's talk about garbage for a little while. Like fucking Shirley Manson. I used to love her. Thought she was great. Like great front woman. Control the stage. But this this is like their final tour. And I've seen them twice, and the first time they backed up Tears for Fears, West Palm Beach. Fucking great show. She was fucking into it, commanding the stage like she really can, and uh engaging with the crowd. And then I saw her, I saw them about five months ago. Again, not in West Palm Southern, but Pompano Beach here in South Florida. And uh she just starts fucking raging. This is our last tour. We don't get paid what we should. And she just starts griping about fucking everything in the music industry and blah blah blah. And we need to love each other. It's like she's like, knows this is the final tour, and well, she's letting us see the real person because she's turned into a real fucking bitch. I can tell you that. It's like if I want to hear somebody fucking whine at a concert, I'd go to a Bruce Springsteen concert or even a B-2 concert. Between those fucking two, Jesus Christ. But then she starts with this shit, and then the video pops up when she's in uh Australia, I think it was Australia, and uh some dude had a beach ball, and she fucking stops the show. You might have seen the video. If you didn't, fucking go to YouTube, Shirley Manson and Beach Ball, and she just points this guy out in the crowd and starts fucking like you're a fucking small dick fucking man, and I should have people should punch you in the face. You're a middle-aged guy with a beach ball, blah, blah. We don't like that stuff. And she just goes on this fucking like ugly tangent about this, and then she's like, I should get my crew to beat you up and blah, blah, blah. Like, and she's the one who says, when I saw her fucking five months ago, she's like, Oh, we just all need to love each other. Why is everybody fighting? Then she turns into this creature. So fuck Shirley Manson. She went out on a fucking, like, she went out in a flame. She flamed out big time. Um, because a lot of people were like, what the fuck? And so what's great though is this was probably a good, this could be a 90-second just fucking tirade she went on, which if you're in a concert and she's up on stage and just fucking ranting for 90 seconds to two minutes about because the dude had a fucking beach ball. Well, the next show, you know, that went viral, of course. And the next show, you get all these YouTubers, all these videos, and as soon as fucking garbage comes on the stage about fucking, I don't know how many beach balls just pop up out of the crowd, and everybody just starts fucking whacking beach balls around. And the people that were filming it, uploaded it to YouTube were laughing, and it was they thought it was fucking great. Uh yeah, uh Lightfingers Perry Denovich, the AI says $500 a ticket will make her happy. Yeah, yeah. And I think I got I think I paid, I don't know, I probably paid, I wanted to see them because I saw them before. They were a great show. And uh, I don't know, I probably paid maybe $80 a ticket, which is about where I'll go, right? I bought four tickets. So I'd go there, but I wouldn't pay any more than that, but I definitely wouldn't see them again. And so it's a good thing it's their last tour. But these fucking beach balls just popped up, and there were people in the back like looking down. It was almost, I guess it was like a festival thing, and they were like, watch, watch, watch. And then, like it was planned, like this was a social media plan. And she just didn't like it. You could tell she was fucking irritated, and then she's like sarcastically saying, Oh, I know I made a big deal about a beach ball. Like, she's trying to gaslight everybody, and the fucking beach balls just kept flying around the rest of the show. Fuck you, Shirley Manson. You flamed out in my book. Still great songs. I love their music. I love, you know, she did a one of the she did a great show when I saw her the first time. And then like this tour, so it's your last tour. So let me ask you this. If it's your last tour and you're going out and you know this is it, right? And you got a new album, you got to play some songs from the album, right? But this has been people have been your fans since what 30 years, right? Garbage came out 94, right? 94, 2004, 2014, 2024. Yeah, it's about 94, 95 that came out. And uh you have a lot of great hits over the years. And like if I'm a fucking band, if I'm the lead singer of a band and this is it, like I know this is it. Well, I'm gonna give the people what they want. I'm gonna play some of our biggest hits, and I'm throwing in some of the album, and you know, because that's the thing, right? When you go to a concert and there's a new album, if you haven't listened to it, then you don't you're not really familiar with it. So they're playing a song. We've all gone through it. All concert goers go through this. You're playing a song, or they're playing a song that you don't really know. And you're like, okay, but I'll tolerate it because it's it's off their new album, they gotta push the fucking thing anyways, and you know. This time, she they played pretty much their whole album and they just peppered in. It was like going to a Morrissey concert, right? And if you if you've never been to a Morrissey concert and it's the first one, and you don't know any Morrissey fans, then you're gonna think, oh, he's gonna play all these Smith songs, and he doesn't. He plays like maybe three or four Smith songs at a show, and the rest is his his you know, his solo work. And he's got a lot of great solo work. So you you go to a Morrissey concert to see Morrissey, and you go there, and and you expect a very kind of uh eclectic type of concert, and you don't know what to expect from him. Uh, I can tell you his voice is still fucking great. He still is very uh uh quaint with the audience and he's engaging with the audience and he's funny, he's dry, humor, and he's sarcastic, and it it all works, right? But if you went to a Marcy show to to think you were gonna see a Smiths like oldies act, well that was wrong. That's just because his his catalog is bigger than the Smiths with five albums that they had. But garbage around for 30 years, they got I don't know, they they got a good if you go look at their greatest hits album, they got a it's a fucking stacked album. It's a stacked album. And if you see it, you're like, okay, let's go. And it's the last tour, and this is it. No, she she played, I think they played uh again, four songs, four of their songs, and it wasn't even their biggest songs. And and now that I see this attitude that she has, it's probably on purpose. Like if you go to a garbage show, right? You're a fan, you paid to see them. They didn't pay you to come see them. There's a lot of bands out there that will play the songs that they like fucking you two plays. I will follow pretty much every fucking show. Because that's what people want to see. That's what the people paid to see, right? Well, it's almost like her fucking whatever happened to her, whatever the real her came out and she's like, fuck them. We're just gonna play this album that nobody knows, that nobody knows, and we're gonna pepper in like four songs that they know over a 90-minute set. That's to me garbage, because now I wouldn't, it is garbage. Pardon the pun, that's garbage. So I wouldn't buy that fucking album now. I won't. I just won't, just because. You know? Um so yeah, that that whatever her fucking beef is, she she's going out the wrong way. And I don't know if she cares. I don't know if she cares, because if you go out that way, you're usually gonna stay that way. Like you will, she will double down on all of this. Garrend fucking teed. Because she's rich already. You know, she has her family, she's an older woman. Not that that matters, not that that matters, and and she really, you want to be fucking honest. She fucking aged like an old suitcase. Tell you that. Shirley Manson did not age well. There was something about her when she was younger, but she just one of those that whatever it was about her, it's gone. It's gone. So she lost that, and then she loses the fucking audience. When when fucking people come to your concert just to bother you. Think of that. Think of the fucking people that were like, fuck her. We're going to this show, but we're gonna fuck with her now. We're gonna all bring beach balls. Like, what does that say? Where do you stand with the fans at that point? And it wasn't like she she came back and said, All right, everybody, I'm sorry I did that. I was just not in the right mood that night or that day. And and you know, okay, everything's cool. I apologize to the guy I yelled at, and then if everyone shows up beach balls, it's funny, right? It's funny. No. These motherfuckers showed up out of spite. Fuck you, Shirley Manson. Fuck you. So that's my rant on garbage. I don't know. She's she's she's flamed out to me. I'll still listen to her music. They still had great music, but I I just like I saw the real Cindy Laupa twice, and she's a fucking bitch in real life. Don't let that fucking woman fool you. Because I saw it with my own two eyes. I was constant security, two different well, one place, and then I was at another show where I just happened to be right next to the stage, and her lot her fucking dressing room was right there, and she came out and as the story goes, and uh she took some fucking photo ops with some kids, and then some Navy sail sailors, uh, Navy guys were at the concert, and uh they there was like five of them, and they were like, hey, can we, you know, they were like, hey, get your picture with it. And she's like, no, and she turned around and walked away. Went back in her dressing room. That's Cindy Lapa, so fuck her too. She's always been fucking overrated. She was good at best. Not great, not great. She was good. She was good. But not like Hall of Fame shit. That's a that's a fucking DEI shit right there. That's some DEI shit. Um, all right. Who else is who else? Deft Tones came out with an album. We just said that. The Google dolls are still around. Jesus Christ. I don't know if you've seen that dude, the lead singer. I forget his name now. Not good with names tonight. But he's definitely had some fucking cosmetic surgery done. I believe. I believe he looks, they all fucking look strange when they get older and they try to. The ITIY Club, the I Think I'm Young Club. That just never works. Uh Nine Inch and Nails Again came out with the album, Tronda. It's a fucking shit movie, shit music. He's another one. Trent Resin is another one. Uh who uh Mammoth. Okay, so Mammoth, I mean Wolfgang Van Halen. The kid's got fucking skills, I'll tell you that. He's got skills. He's a seems to be a good kid, too. So, you know. They're still around. I don't know. Cheap Trick came out with an album all washed up. That's maybe apropos. That's maybe apropos. And uh future releases, Corn plans to release their 15th studio album. Corn should get into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They will get there. There's there's no doubt that they'll get there. Why the Pet Shop Boys, and you've heard me say it a thousand times, why the Pet Shop Boys are not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is way beyond me because they've sold more records than Cheryl Crow. They're more influential than Sheryl Crow. They're fucking, they're just they've been around longer than Cheryl Crow. They're still touring, unlike Cheryl Crow, but she was a DEI fucking input. So, you know, the Pet Shop Boys will never get their due. They just will not get their due. I don't care if you like their music or not, you have to. You really have no choice but to respect the fact that they are still around. They're still touring, they're still making new music, and they are fucking still relevant. Whether you think so or not, I'm the expert here. The Pet Shop Boys are still relevant. I'm telling you that right now. In that, in that electronic, you know, electronic music, um, yeah, EDM, electronic dance music, and pop, they're still fucking relevant. So, but they won't get into the Rock Roll Hall of Fame because whatever, for whatever fucking reason, they're the they think they are the second highest selling duo in the world, you know, as far as record sales, uh behind, I think, Hall of Oates, who fucking hate each other. Uh Limp Biscuit's working on the seventh studio album. I'd be interested to hear that. I was always a Limp Biscuit fan. I liked him. I still do like him. I don't know what the big deal. Fred Durst rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. Uh, he became very popular very fast, and he took advantage of it. Why wouldn't you? Right? He was a young guy. He's like, I'm fucking getting it while I can. So Lip Biscuit, and Westmoreland is one of the great guitar players in fucking rock. And it is rock. Um, it's that new metal type shit. Not shit, it's good. I like new metal, as they call it, which is corn and lip biscuit and uh deft tones, that whole thing. Um but I I like I'd be interested to hear them. I'd see them in concert. Again, Wes Woolland just watching him play guitar. Go go check out some Limp Biscuit live uh videos on YouTube. And Wes Wolland isn't he's a character, man. That dude, he puts some time into his his get ups. Like he always, every tour, he's a new character. And it's it's always fucking interesting. Uh, former Rage Against the Machine guitarist Tom Morello set to release his debut solo album. Uh without Rage Against the Machine, he's he's a great guitar player, but I'm not I'm not listening. Without Zach DeLaro just screaming and screeching and jumping around the stage, I have no interest in Tom Morello. Great guitar player, no doubt. Uh Breaking Benjamin, again, I think that's another 90s band. Um first studio release since 2018. And Incubus. Incubus is a band that I either like or they the music is either good or real or not good. There's really no happy medium there. But so that's it. I'm done here. I'm coming up on an hour. Let me click this and get back to the screen. And I'm back. Here we go. So that's that. That's that's 2025 in review, right? The good, the bad, the ugly. And uh what does Perry say? Uh the go-go's, goo goo dolls, lady gaga. Go go goo goo gaga. Go go go-goo gaga, right? That's it. That that that that sums it all up. That suns up 2025 for me, I'll tell you that. So uh that's it, everybody. It's been another year. I started this podcast in 2022, I think. The beginning of 2022. So, yeah, a lot of episodes under the bridge. Another year in the books. So, coming up on year number four. No, no end in sight. No end in sight. I'll be doing a lot more shows this year. Uh, it's gonna be a good year. We'll see what happens in music, we'll see what Jack does. Uh we don't see what Jack does. There's always gonna be music news no matter what. So uh I want to thank you guys for watching. Thank you for listening. If you like it, share it. If you didn't like it, well, thanks for watching and listening for 59 minutes and 27 seconds. I appreciate that. And uh I will be back at the beginning of 2026, hopefully next week. Uh maybe Jack will be here, maybe he won't. We'll see. It's either going to be Wednesday or Thursday. We'll see. I don't know. And uh yeah, there's some episodes that I did that I did not release on the audio side of the podcast. They were Christmas stuff, and it's already under the bridge. Like I said, it's gone, so you won't be hearing those. But let's start up fresh in 2026, and uh, we're all gonna have a good year. And as I always say, you are the engine that runs this machine. Without you, it'd just be me talking. And uh it's New Year's Eve, and that's probably what I'm doing right now. Probably not talking to a lot of people, but that's okay. That's okay. That's what the replays are for, right? And it's going out to the podcast universe and the YouTube universe. It'll always be there. It'll be here for my grandkids to watch and my great grandkids to watch. That's the beauty of doing this. That's one of the unique things of doing this your legacy is always going to be there. It's never going away unless YouTube fucking burns up and blows up and gets fucking deleted from the planet, from the universe, from everything. Bill Crates of Turntables will always be here, and my great-grandkids will be able to watch who don't know me, but they'll get a good idea of how I was when they watch this podcast. So, with all that said again, doing this show for you to quote my favorite artist Morrissey. The pleasure, the privilege is mine. Thanks for hanging out with me on New Year's Eve. I'm gonna go hang out with Dr. Vera now. She's much better looking than you guys. And girls, too. No offense. Just calling it the way I see it. She's a beauty, like the tube said. She's a beauty. And I'll see you next week, everybody. Happy New Year!
