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Ep. 191 - From Oasis To AI: What Shook Music And What’s Next

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We trade New Year jabs, swap home jam stories, and then dive into the state of music: tours, meltdowns, AI, and why some shows still matter more than numbers. It’s a fast hour of sharp takes, live-show nostalgia, and a few friendly punches.

• late-night music discovery gone wrong and right
• the Stones’ non-tour and what it signals
• how Oasis scaled and whether it sustains
• artist-fan trust after Shirley Manson’s rant
• streaming payouts and why albums still drop
• AI music redefining musicianship and taste
• the return of 80s textures and likely disco revival
• attention spans, tension and release, and real listening
• ticket value, legacy pricing, and club vs stadium calculus
• our favorite concerts of the year and why they stuck

If you liked it, share it. If you didn’t like it, because Jack was on, thanks for watching for an hour and four minutes and seven seconds. Doing the show for you to quote my favorite artist, Morrissey. The pleasure, the privilege is mine, and I’ll be back next week. I don’t know about Jack.


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SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

Scott McLean:

What's up, everybody? Welcome to the podcast. You know the name is not gonna say streaming live right now for anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Happy New Year, happy, happy new new year to you.

Scott McLean:

Listen to a little pigs, pigs, pigs, pigs, pigs, pigs. You have to say all those pigs. That's the name of the group. Yeah. Alright. Well wait, wait, wait. GMT. Right, pinks, pinks, pinks, pinks, pinks, pinks, pinks. So Jack is uh is on. He's there. And I can't see his picture. So let's uh let's start the new year off right. Oh wait. Hey, and and wait a minute, wait a minute.

SPEAKER_04:

Yay!

Scott McLean:

There you go.

SPEAKER_02:

What's up, Jack?

Scott McLean:

Your audio sounds terrible.

SPEAKER_02:

Hold on a second. Let me let me adjust. First time in a long time.

Scott McLean:

I know. I know. You know, it would have helped to come on 15 minutes earlier to, you know, but but I know. How's that? I I know a lot. There you go. Is that good? Give me the old testing one, two, three. Test one, two, three. Syphilis. Syphilis. It sounds okay. Sounds okay. So what's up, buddy? Happy new new year. And to you. How's it going? It's going good. It's going good. Um, the new year is starting off right. We are well, there hasn't been any the the other shoe hasn't dropped yet. Usually at the beginning of the year. You know, I I look at the beginning of the year like a new car, right? So you get a new car, and it's inevitable that within the first six months, somebody's gonna fucking hit you. Someone's gonna scratch it, someone's gonna hit it with the fucking shopping cart. It's it's almost inevitable. I think the odds are like 80-20 that something will happen.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, but you know, you know, in some regard, not not that you want it to happen, but you you almost want to break the ice, and then you can just you can relax a little bit. Well, you know, mine started last year and didn't stop. So no, no, no, no. My ice melted. But but it what I'm what I'm saying, it you know, it has it it pertains to the example they use with like with a new car. You know, maybe you gotta realize that you don't have to treat things so precious.

Scott McLean:

Well, you gotta treat the new year precious, I think. You it's it's your fresh start. We've we it's it's built into our DNA, it's built into our our uh psyche. I mean, that's the thing, right? Everyone wants to get a new start somehow, some way. Right? Do you want to you want to hear a little bit about my new start?

SPEAKER_03:

So so like like most people, you know, I have my own resolutions, one of them being, and this is a minor one, you know, not that I have a long list, but this is certainly at the lower end of the list. So my wife and I, Deb, big music.

Scott McLean:

Beautiful Deb. What are you doing? The beautiful Deb. You forgot already. See, I have to remind you of that.

SPEAKER_03:

No, no, no, no, no. I don't even have to say it just because I know in my heart. You're not getting out of here. How beautiful she is.

Scott McLean:

You always refer to her as the beautiful Deb. So that's it.

SPEAKER_03:

She is she is the beautiful Deb. She is, absolutely beautiful, talented, lovely. By the way. And tell her I said that, by the way. Tell show her this recording. I I will. But by the way, one of the most entertaining things around the house right now is the beautiful Deb for her birthday got a bass guitar. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Scott McLean:

And and not to be confused with the yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And uh, and our and our son bought her a beautiful amplifier that actually matches. So she's got a white bass, and she's got a white amplifier.

Scott McLean:

Nice.

SPEAKER_03:

She's taking she's taking lessons.

Scott McLean:

Good.

SPEAKER_03:

And uh, this morning before we left, you know, we had a couple of minutes, and she fired up the bass, and she was doing the bass line to With or Without You from you two. And I was playing, I was playing along with her on acoustic guitar. And it was just kind of cool.

Scott McLean:

No, that's great. That's more than cool. That's great.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, it's it's just awesome to see it. Like, she's having so much fun with it, and she's got she's got a knack for it. She really does.

Scott McLean:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Um, what's her name? Anyway, hold on. Before you get too far.

Scott McLean:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So we're talking about New Year's resolution. So, you know, Deb and I.

Scott McLean:

I was gonna talk about female bass players for a minute. I just wanted to kind of you know who Pazlin Chanton is? Paslin Chanton. It's not the guy that was a big player. She was the bass player. No, she was the bass player for the bigger.

SPEAKER_03:

That wasn't the guy that was in the Bronx tale, was it? Right, right.

Scott McLean:

Jazz Parliamentary. I'm just like the bass player in Perfect Circle, and then she uh had a couple of, and she has one of the greatest moves in video, music video history. If you go and watch uh uh um uh Judith, right, uh there's a point in there where it's where it goes, and there's no bass, no drum. And she takes her hair and she spins it, grabs it, fucking ties it up, and just hits the note right as she finishes. Fucking one of the greatest moves I've ever seen in a video in my life. And then she went on to play with the Pixies for a long time. Yeah, you you and I can't do that move. No, no, we can't do that move anymore. She went on to play with the Pixies for a long time, right? She was there, she replaced uh Kim Deal, right? And um then all of a sudden they just let her go. Like midway through last year, they just like that's it. What's his name? Black Francis? He's like, that new new bass player. She's like, I've been there for a long time. So maybe she wanted more money. Uh she didn't, she had no clue. She's like, they just changed, they just took me out. Yeah. So uh, okay, around the house.

SPEAKER_03:

So New Year's res. So New Year, New Year's resolution. So, you know, Deb uh and I, you know, we we're always trying to outdo each other in terms of finding new bands and new artists and that type of thing. And Deb kicks my ass generally. You know, she just has much better taste in music than I do. So last night, for whatever reason, I got up in the middle of the night. The dogs were were actually barking. That's why I got up. And I was downstairs and it was just flipping through Instagram, and I had this algorithm that just led me down to like it was music video after music video of like all these bands that I had never heard of. I love that. Yeah. And I was I was hearing like maybe five, maybe 10 second clips. And I was I was just doing because they didn't have the energy or the focus to actually go into the apps or anything like that. So I was just capturing screenshots. And I got up this morning, I created a new playlist on Spotify with these, and I was like, ah, I'm gonna impress Deb. I found these new bands and whatnot. So we're we're up in our bathroom, and I get the music playing with my new playlist, and she goes, What the fuck is that shit? She was like, She goes, That's terrible. Tail between my legs.

Scott McLean:

Um, you have to answer a question. It's up on the screen right now. I can't see the King of the 45s. I can't see the chat. Hold on. Not the chat, it's up on the screen. Look at the screen, it should be at the bottom of the screen. Good evening, boys. Where have you been, Jack? King of the 45s, Dave Phillips. Where you been, Jack? I've been traveling, I've been working.

SPEAKER_03:

You know, you gotta understand, Dave, that you know, Scott doesn't pay that well.

Scott McLean:

No. No, you you get enough like Howard Stern. You make your name off this podcast, you make your own money. I'm giving you the opportunity. This is the money. And then you go out and make your own money.

SPEAKER_03:

This was the linchpin for me to get my new position in my my insurance career.

Scott McLean:

Fucking right it was.

SPEAKER_03:

It was like, wait, wait a minute. We were gonna go with this other guy.

Scott McLean:

Right.

SPEAKER_03:

But are you are you the guy that argued about Van Halen on milk rates and different tables?

Scott McLean:

Yep. Yep, that's it. See? I knew it. I fucking knew it. You'd be amazed who listens to this podcast. I think you'd be extremely surprised, as a matter of fact. What do we got? Marie Martin says, nothing can be as bad as something like Yokohono's waiting for the D-train. Yeah, anything by her is is is bad. I can't believe that that was that was mine and Deb's wedding song. What do you know? What do you know? Well, that's all she hears when you talk, from what I understand, anyways. Nice. Wow.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh my god. It's just what I heard. Generally, people like the uh the podcast a lot better when you're solo because of the crickets in the background.

Scott McLean:

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I did get um, let me see. Uh uh, I I sent the text to your your number one uh girl fan, uh Mark Smith from Music Relish. And I said uh fucking Jack is back tonight with a big screaming emoji. And he wrote, he's gonna make a perfectly shitty show. Awesome. What a bastard. Fuck him. Hey, fuck him.

SPEAKER_03:

No, yeah, the fan, the fucking.

Scott McLean:

He's got a man crush on you anyway, so good luck with that.

SPEAKER_03:

The fans have spoken, brother. You know? The fan. Dude, I'm telling I'm telling you, my New Year's resolution, 2026. I'm gonna make the show a lot more. Not all the time. I I would not expect all the time. Not all the time.

Scott McLean:

Last week in January, I'm gonna be touring Florida. That's right. That's right. We might have a chance to get together. Maybe. Yeah. You're a very busy man, I understand that. I am a I'm a very I'm a very important man. Tiny Tim actually, Tiny Tim, he said so. Dave Phillips, king of the 45s, just commented not even Tiny Tim is as bad as Yoko. Tiny Tim actually was a genre singer. Like that was a whole thing. Like there was that came from the 40s. That was a whole that's how they the ukulele and that high-pitched voice, you know, from uh back in those days. So tiny tiny Tim, the greatest exit in music history. Oh, did he die on stage? He you can see it on YouTube. He's having the heart attack, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

He had a heart attack and just falls forward on stage. What a way to Good night, everybody!

Scott McLean:

Like, no, it's more like goodnight, Chippy. Yeah, Chippy waitresses as he tips over. Yeah, he did not tip through through through the tulip. No, he he tipped into the tulips. Now he's under the tulips.

SPEAKER_03:

We can't make fun of him, too. We're of age. Yeah, this could happen to it. It could happen right now.

Scott McLean:

Yeah. I got hot like bull. That's for sure. Um. Here we go. Lightfingers Peridedovich the AI says time warp. Glad to see you guys. Yeah. He is the king of music relish. Perry Lightfingers Peridovich. He was blamed this year. Well this past year. I believe I blamed him for stealing some guitars from uh there was remember the who what what story was that? What someone's band, they stole their guitars.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, there's a lot, a lot of them.

Scott McLean:

And then the dude, no, no, he stole the guitars, and he went and sold two of them on the street. And there's a video like and he got caught, but it was um I forget who the artist was. Maybe Perry remembers. Um but it was it took a couple days from to see the find the video. This dude, he brought one to like a pawn shop and he sold one to someone on the street. I forget who it was, but Perry was blamed for that for a little while. He was blamed for light fingers, Perry Devich. Um so we didn't get a chance to do the the year-end show because, well, you were busy on New Year's Eve, and I had nothing to do after my all-you-can-eat sushi uh rampage, which was very do you have any idea how many pieces of sushi you ingested that night? Well, it it wasn't it wasn't my record number, it wasn't my personal best. Um my personal best, I believe, no, no joking. I believe my personal best in an all-you-can-eat sushi place was up in Front Royal, Virginia of all places, when I was going through the U.S. Customs Board of Detections.

SPEAKER_03:

The sushi capital of the world.

Scott McLean:

Oh my god, yeah. Yeah. I believe it was like 52 pieces of sushi. Oh, Jesus. Yeah, killed it.

SPEAKER_03:

So then that that rice is that rice expands in your stomach afterwards.

Scott McLean:

Nothing, nothing was worse than we went to this um this lunch buffet at a barbecue joint. It's Virginia, right? So, and they have these corn muffins. They're not full-size corn muffins, they're like half the size, right? Of a corn muffin. And they just can keep bringing baskets. I ate 33 of them at lunch. 33 of them. Dude, it wasn't the co it wasn't the the the cornmeal, it was the sugar. I was fucking like I snorted a gram. Dude, I was I was pinging from the sugar in those things. This fat guy from New Jersey, Woody, fat, he was this big dude. He tried to go so that's why I did that many. It turned into like a competition and I blew him away.

SPEAKER_03:

33?

Scott McLean:

Yeah. Yeah, no lie. If I if I was gonna lie, I wouldn't lie to you. How's that? No, no, that's yeah, yeah. Dude, that's that's impressive. I I well, you know, I did eat a 52-ounce porta house with a bowl of spaghetti one sitting. My wife, the the the beautiful Dr. Vera, will will attest to that because when we sat down with another couple, we looked at the menu, and there it was 52-ounce porta house. It's like 120 bucks. And I look at it, she looks at me and she goes, If you want, I want. My previous record was a 41 ounce from uh Ruth's Chris.

SPEAKER_03:

Is that is it like kind of the law of diminishing returns? Like, do you get to the point where you're just not really even tasting it anymore?

Scott McLean:

No, I enjoy every fucking bite of it. Every bite of it. Now, when you start to get full, and now you get to a point, I'm not gonna lie, you get to a point where you're like three-quarters of the way through, you're like 42 ounces in, 43 ounces in, 44. Now you're just at the end, you're just doing it to to finish. Like, I am not gonna be defeated. Sure. It still tastes good, but I get what you're saying. It does lose its luster after 42 ounces. Yeah, after a little while, it just gets gets heavy, brother. Oh, here we go. King of the 45s, Dave Phillips. That's funny. I had 20 oysters tonight and an order of shrimp temporarily. Good man. But oysters are small, though. Like if you put those in a glass, like drinking one giant lungie. You know. And 20 oysters isn't really a lot, so I'm not really that impressed. Yeah, but Dave Phillips king of the 45s.

SPEAKER_03:

20 oysters adds up.

Scott McLean:

Yeah, yeah. It's okay. But it's I guess for for some for me, a professional eater. Like 20 oysters is nothing.

SPEAKER_03:

You are you are kind of a professional eater. I do. You see what I post. You see what I eat. Yes, yes, I do. It's horrendously disgusting.

Scott McLean:

Hey, uh, let's let's get on with music. I don't think anyone cares about our my my food stories anymore. Um what do you think was the uh from last year? If you can remember, if you have any thoughts, what do you think was like what's a story that stands out to you in in 2025 in music? Doesn't have to be anything like, you know, dramatic or um anything?

SPEAKER_03:

I don't know. You know, there's there's a couple of things. Not not that this is a surprise, but in the latter part of the year when the Rolling Stones were getting ready to announce their European tour for 2026, and Keith said, I can't do it. They canceled the tour. There was never really uh announced. They were they were just about to announce it. So they canceled the tour that they never announced. That was the news, right? That was the news. They canceled the tour that nobody really knew about. It was it was planned and it was supposed to happen, and we have reached an inflection point where Keith Richards can no longer tour on at least a long-term basis.

Scott McLean:

That was that was only a Europe, not only. I mean, it was a European tour. So they weren't, you know, they were gonna do their world, it's a handful of shows.

SPEAKER_03:

They weren't coming here, they weren't doing a two-year tour. But while while we're talking about tours, you know, I I don't think that you can ignore the enormity and the massive success that the Oasis tour was.

Scott McLean:

Oh, I think that was that was the the probably the biggest tour in in the last 10 years.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, it was just enormous, just absolutely enormous. But here's but here's the question Do they continue? And can can they continue in the secondary markets? Like like can can Oasis. I think they'll put out a new album. Can can Oasis fill Fenway Park?

Scott McLean:

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

More than one night?

Scott McLean:

Yeah. I think I think they could fill two nights.

SPEAKER_03:

Just be sure. I think they could fill one with some good supporting acts. Really?

Scott McLean:

Yeah. Interesting. I I see it differently. I see that at this point they're they're at that um they're at that stage where um once they got back together, it became iconic. I I I agree with you, but I think that when you think of you know Wembley and Cardiff and uh people from the United States traveled to go from that went over there that were traveled to Fenway just to see them.

SPEAKER_03:

But that's my that's that's exactly my point.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Is they have a lot of people that that looked at these series of shows as maybe the only shows, so they traveled to them. If it extends where it's a full-length tour, does it still carry the same weight in terms of people from London saying, I gotta see them in Fenway?

Scott McLean:

Yeah, I think I gotta see them. I think this showed it. This showed it because you're going to get. So, how many people did factor this in? How many people didn't get to see them because oh well you and I ex you and I experienced that.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, because of ticket, the whole try message trying to get I I know that when I logged in and registered to get tickets, I was like 400.

Scott McLean:

I told you, and I I was up at literally, I'm not lying, fucking four in the morning to get in that queue. My wife would testify to that. And I sat there and I I actually got a second laptop, so I did what everybody's trying to do, and it was just so I think that the if they did it again, and we lost Jack on the screen. There you go. I think if they tried it again, there's going to be a lot of people that are going to um want to go see them. I I I don't think that there would be uh a lack of interest, let's put it that way.

SPEAKER_03:

I I s I still think that the way that they fill stadiums on a continuous basis is with a multi-tiered bill that has you know the the the strokes or um the killers. I don't think they know that. I do. See, you're saying that because you just don't know. You're not that bright.

Scott McLean:

All right. All right, because I don't know. Because I don't know, because you know all. You just don't know you just sit back for the last six months and do all this fake news research about who wants to go see fucking Oasis and who doesn't.

SPEAKER_03:

No, I haven't done any remarks at all. And you're like, what? I'm gonna show him. Look, I know you think you're one of the smartest guys in Florida, but you're in Florida.

Scott McLean:

Yeah, well, you you might be one of the smartest guys in New Hampshire, but New Hampshire is full of low-level thinkers. So where does that put you?

SPEAKER_03:

That is absolutely not true.

Scott McLean:

Yeah, it is true. It is not, it's it's so true. It's so true.

SPEAKER_03:

You know why your comment is wrong? Because you're a giant stupid head.

Scott McLean:

Yeah, yeah, and you're an idiot. You know, I got a story from last year that that was very disappointing to me. It was very, very disappointing to me. Um this whole fucking meltdown that Shirley Manson had the whole the whole fucking tour. The whole tour from Gars. Remember, I saw them about, I don't know, seven months ago, right? And I had told you that they were like, this is the last time we're ever touring. This is it, we're not doing it anymore. And she, I had a video, but you you ghosted me for six months, so it's kind of probably deleted by now. But she was up on stage and she's like, that's it. We don't get paid enough, and started yada yada yada, right? And I'm like, okay, and the show itself was not spectacular. They were better when I saw them back up Tears for Fears. She was more lively, she was friendlier, she was just really being Shirley Manson. This tour, it's like she's like, this is the last one. Fuck these motherfuckers. I'm gonna say anything I want. And you I don't know if you saw the now infamous video of her basically berating a fucking male fan in the crowd because he had a beach ball. Did you see all that? I I did not, but what you gotta go back and watch. So she sits there and she stands on the stage, and that's it. She's on the stage, and she's like, oh, you fucking asshole, with your beach ball and blah, blah, blah. We're trying to play up here, and you you're such a look at you, you middle-aged fuck. Like these are her, these are her fans, right? That's her generation. She's fucking middle-aged, right? And she's like, with your small dick, I should go over there. If anybody in the audience, you should punch him in the face. Now, when I saw her, all she preached about was peace in the Middle East and war and no war. But here she is, and it's all there for everybody to see. She's over there saying, if my I should send my crew over there, they would beat the shit out of you, you little dick. Like, so everybody saw this. This was over in I I think New Zealand or Australia, right? Or down under. It went fucking viral. And it was very like, I was like, Are you kidding me? Right? I can't I can't believe I didn't see it. Well, it got better because the next show they were playing in Australia. I think it might have been two shows in Australia at the next venue. There's YouTube videos everywhere. I guess there's TikTok videos. There's and people have their cameras up and they're like, watch this, watch this, watch. As soon as it's like it was fucking planned. The whole crowd was in on it. As soon as they came on stage, and she's singing the same opening song that she sang seven months earlier in Coral Springs, right? Or in Poppino Beach. Fucking all the beach balls come up and just start fucking flying everywhere. Like the whole show. Beach balls, there had to be 50 beach balls flying around the whole show. They were like, it was a big fuck you to her, right?

SPEAKER_03:

Well, it's a her her, you know, meltdown is bullshit.

Scott McLean:

Well, she was, and and so she tries to, you know, kind of calm the storm, and she says, uh, I know I said this thing about beach balls, and then she starts getting very facetious, you know. Oh, but I know I upset some people. It's like, I are you really going out like that? Are you really going out like that? Like, I thought she was fucking the greatest thing. You've heard me talk rave about her for years. Oh, yeah. Yep. And now I'm looking at I go, you know what? You're a fucking asshole. And if I saw her in the fucking in an airport, I would yell out, asshole. Or beach ball. Beach ball. Beach ball. Um and then there's this, and I kind of talked about this on New Year's Eve show. Uh, if you're going out, this is it. Like, this is the last time you're gonna probably be in Australia, unless you do like a one-off at a festival or something, right? You probably want to give the audience what they want to hear. Would you agree with that? Yeah, right? Because it's about the audience. Yeah. Um, Stephen Romano, we're talking about the group garbage with the lead singer Shirley Manson, which I know Steven Romano would be like, well, they are garbage. I know that's coming. Um They don't. Like, they played maybe it was like it was like going to a Morrissey show and him playing four Smith songs.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, but you don't have to worry about that because Morrissey cancels every fucking show.

Scott McLean:

He's still undefeated. I he has not canceled any shows I've bought tickets for, and I think that's four of them. I am fucking so ahead of the curve. He doesn't cancel Florida, he likes it down here.

SPEAKER_03:

He he has got he's got a streak going, man.

Scott McLean:

Well, people, I mean, people got to expect that. Like when you if you're going to a Morrissey show, and we've talked about this, you gotta expect that it might not happen. I was gonna go see him up in Boston a few years back, and something told me, it was it was like in February anyway, so I wasn't really fucking thrilled about it, but I was gonna go up there and something told me don't, and he canceled that show. So this whole thing with garbage is Shirley Manson and them not playing all their like, you know, they didn't play all their hits that everybody wants to hear. It's their last tour. No one's gonna buy that fucking album. Like, that's the thing. No one's gonna buy that album. She was bitching the whole show about what record companies and no, nobody buys albums anymore, anyway.

SPEAKER_03:

Or CDs, it's all downloads. So, well and not you know, downloads. I mean, the the the artists, and I'm not gonna say the poor artists, because they're still still doing quite fine. But so I have this if you you look at the metrics of what people get paid to stream their music on Spotify, they get screwed.

Scott McLean:

Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Let me see. Um, so I have I have this this quick article. I'm not gonna put it up on the screen. I'm just gonna, there's a few interesting things here. Um, eight predictions for 2026 from around the music industry. I'm not gonna read them all. Um, we'll see the platform labels increasingly embrace audio modification. So you got this this guy, I don't know who he is. He says, platforms will continue to broaden and democratize creation. In 2026, we'll see platforms and labels increasingly embrace audio modification. That's not really a good thing. As remixes edits sped up versions and fan-made variations invite listeners into the creative process. I I I'm not a big fan of that, right? Sky says Afro Beats will have its bad bunny moment. I don't think that's gonna happen. Right. But there's one of these that says, um In 2026, this is the one I wanted to talk about. In 2026, the definition of a musician will inevitably change. If making a full song can be done with the text prompt, then quote, someone who can make music suddenly describes almost everyone. But that doesn't diminish the value of an artist who spent years mastering their instruments, it actually raises the bar for what musicianship means. What do you think about that? Like you're gonna you're going to see artists because the younger generation, this is gonna be all they know. Right? So Gorillas was really ahead of their time, the virtual band, real instruments, real playing. You go to concert, you see them play. You actually see the band play, right? What do you think of the description of a musician? Like if I make a beat and I do a whole fucking AI thing and it's really, really good, am I a musician?

SPEAKER_03:

I I think that uh you kind of hit the nail on the head in terms of what is it that you're used to. Let me let me put it in a different way. I live up in New Hampshire. Yeah, you live down in Florida. Now you go to New York, New Jersey, Boston, Connecticut, they have a certain definition of what is pizza. And when you eat in those places, you're like, oh my god, if they had this up in New Hampshire, or if they had it down in Florida, it would make a cabillion dollars. But the reality of it is, is most of the people in New Hampshire and most of the people in Florida were brought up on dominoes.

Scott McLean:

I mean, so that that's a misconception. People love that that we're not gonna get into the pizza battle, but you get a lot of fucking people from Pittsburgh to Boston that moved to Florida and start their own places.

SPEAKER_03:

Listen, I'm I am I am supporting your argument in that it's it's what people grew up with that they're gonna reminisce about, that they're gonna be nostalgic about, and that they're gonna real that that they're gonna think is kind of the gold standard.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So so the younger generations that grow up with AI generated music. This is all they're gonna know. Auto-tuned music, you know, overly, overly produced music, you know, and that and that type of thing. But they're all there will always be kind of a cross-section of people that are gonna be purists, that are gonna want to see organic, talented people that work for their craft. Not to say that people on the electronic side don't work for their craft, it's just a little different.

Scott McLean:

I think what you're gonna see is a big influx in the next couple years of AI music, AI bands. It's gonna become the rave. The rave.

SPEAKER_03:

People don't care. When when you and I go, your bubble will burst. Don't eventually don't fucking interrupt me.

Scott McLean:

You fucking kidding me. Did this motherfucker? Listen. Are we back in 2022 again?

SPEAKER_03:

Did we just really time warp? Listen, I I get it. I know you're used to doing the show all by yourself. And you don't want anybody else, you don't want anybody else stealing your stuff.

Scott McLean:

No, no. You know what this is? Jack, the insurance executive boss, who doesn't like his employees talking back to him. So he tells him, shut the fuck up and get back to your computer. Right? That I am not, I you are not the boss of me. I am the boss. No, you are not the boss of me. You are not. I am the boss of you. You know, Steve Romano says, I like the killers. I my I like to kill Jack right now. But he but as he gave you the demographics, because he's such a geography fucking major, he's in New Hampshire and I'm in Florida. Whoa, you're a fucking real brainiac, Jack.

SPEAKER_03:

Leo. Leo. So so hey, do you want me to finish my premise? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

unknown:

Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

So if you if you think about like when you and I, and many, many of the people that are listening in, all of our five fans that are out there.

Scott McLean:

Exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_03:

When when we were kids, it was all about analog and reading the albums and knowing who played on them and knowing who produced them. And and think about like the Millie Vanilli scandal, like, oh my god, you're lip syncing. Like that is a crime. I mean, think about how big of a story that is.

Scott McLean:

You're right, you're right. You're right.

SPEAKER_03:

But as the generations move on, and as the integrity, I will say, of it shifts, I didn't say down, but shifts, I think people care less. Most people today, like in terms of like new bands, like if you ask the average uh Mumford and Sons fan or the Killers fans or anything, they can't name them the members of the band. We knew everybody, we studied it, we lived it, it was real to us, it had importance, and now it's more disposable. And and maybe that's okay for the people of the younger generations that they don't have to care. But in terms of auto-tune and AI generated and all that stuff, they're not gonna give a shit. You know who's gonna give a shit? Old fucks like you and I. Um, yeah, that that's true.

Scott McLean:

That's true. But of course it's true. You finally get some truth on this show. You shut the fuck up and let me talk for months. What the fuck? I know you haven't been on the show in a while, but but you just shut the fuck up and let me talk for months. I'm glad this is only every six months. Hey, guess what? You'll see me in six months.

SPEAKER_03:

I got what 24 minutes.

Scott McLean:

Uh, I think I I I you're right. You're right in a sense where this is all they're gonna know because we have a whole generation of kids that are gonna come up on AI, right? You there's still, though, there's still I think hope. I think that bubble will burst. And I the hat, but what we need, or what the music industry needs, is a breakthrough. I think rock is gonna start kind of coming around. You know what's really starting to pop up that I've noticed because I listen to like you get on that rabbit hole. I go through, I go down these real deep Spotify rabbit holes, right? And um I hear a lot, a lot of 80s-influenced music by live bands, whether it's synth or it's darkwave or it's uh uh shoe gaze, which is more early 90s, late 80s, early 90s. Um I I I hear a lot of that. So that to me is fascinating that this these young bands have gone down you know that path of like we're gonna bring. There's I guarantee you, you know what's gonna make a comeback? Disco. I'm I'm calling it disco this year. I think disco is coming back.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, that I mean that wouldn't surprise me. And there, and the other thing that you just said that that wouldn't surprise me, I think there's always gonna be an element of people that you know seek purity. And the reality of it is even with the AI and the overly produced and auto-tuned stuff, there is a lot of really, really good music out there. You just need to go and look for it. But the interesting thing is with something like Spotify, it's not that hard to find it. There's some really, really good stuff out there. You just gotta give a shit.

Scott McLean:

Yeah, you have to give a shit. And I think uh another problem is there is a instant gratification uh addiction to not only fucking young kids. This is people our age. They're they really are like in tune to this this instant gratification. So they they try to you know knock it, but they're on fucking TikTok getting brainwashed into one-minute videos, you know.

SPEAKER_03:

Which is which is which is too bad. It is. I mean, I mean the the long form stuff. Like I know a lot of young people today, not only do they click around, you know, in terms of the songs that they listen to, but they click around for the sweet spots. Right. You know, in and what they don't realize is that the real art of it and the real beauty of it and the real joy uh out of it is is the tension that is created in a song and then the release.

Scott McLean:

Leo just has the line of the night when I said disco's coming back, that's where the happy people go. The disco. Oh, that's where the happy people.

SPEAKER_00:

Happy people go.

Scott McLean:

That's a good jab right there. Wow, that was pretty good. I know.

SPEAKER_03:

Dude, you can still hit the high notes.

Scott McLean:

I can. Thank God for that bursecting me. That's right. That's right. So I I do these. I'm gonna uh I'm gonna tell you this. So I do you know I do these little which song do you like better? Yeah. Right. Now, I really I've I've talked to Tal about this. I I do a lot of stuff purposefully. I make them uh anywhere from like probably 18 seconds to around 24 seconds on average of a clip of a song. Now we're only talking 18 seconds. I want to get a good feel for the song before they hear the next song, right? And I I I put a little bit of thought into matching up songs. So you have my little intro that's three seconds. Which song do you like better? And you have the one-second static. So that's four seconds. Then you have, we'll say, a 19-second clip of fucking uh, you know, over the hills and through the woods, right? Then there's a static through the woods, I don't know. And then the next song is about the same, it's about 19 seconds. This is all under a minute. This is less than a minute, right? So I do these and they I I actually do put them on TikTok, but I want to because I want to see the uh the stats, right? The insight as they call it on a one less than a one-minute video. Oh boy. You just when you're talking, you're fine, but when any what I'd hate to work for you, I would fucking I would be I'd walk, I'd go to HR on you right now.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, I'm just trying to figure out which fuck this is going.

Scott McLean:

Well, oh I'm sorry I I I didn't get into this long diatribe about you know about fucking AI and a new generation eating pizza.

SPEAKER_03:

And I'm sorry I didn't get by the way. You know who didn't use AI? The Everly brothers. Let me tell you about the Everly.

Scott McLean:

That was the worst fucking run-on sentence in the history of podcasting. Holy fuck. I don't you did not even fucking put a period in there. There was no pauses. This was like, good lord. So what I was saying, Everly. I look at the insights, and the average watch is like 13 seconds. So they listened to the first song and they fast forwarded to the second song. Yeah, okay. Which is amazing to me that you cannot fucking focus on anything for less that that's less than a minute. Like, when did 18 seconds become a long time? What? Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I created I created a family in less than 18 seconds.

Scott McLean:

That's I'll I'll leave that one alone. It's a whole other story. I'm just saying that and the adults, I mean, they they can't they have nothing to say about fucking kids because they're just as bad. When you can't listen to something for 18 seconds, 18 seconds.

SPEAKER_03:

I I spent a good part of my career trying to educate adults.

Scott McLean:

Oh, they're tough. My wife, Dr. Vera, would tell you, adult adult learners, oof. Terrible. Whole different fucking ballgame. Terrible. I I I I work with veterans and they're all adults, of course, right? Because they're at least 18. Again. Jesus yarned again? And I saw you try to hide one earlier. You didn't get that one by me. I just let it go. I've I've been up since 3:30. Fuck you. Yeah, that's what you get for fucking being Peloton guy at 3:30 in the morning. Good luck. Hey, let's let's skip on. So I got these unscheduled albums that are supposed to come out this year, right? It's just names of bands. I got some questions here. I got some questions. Unscheduled and to be announced albums in 2026. Anthrax. Who cares? Bruce Springsteen, who cares? Uh the Deep Purple. What? Okay. All right. Uh Evanescence. They were good in 2007. Right? But they they're still they still have a following just because of that. I've never listened to them. I I'm not into that goth like that opera goth shit, whatever it is.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, they they they were okay.

Scott McLean:

Five-fingered death punch. Okay, they flea. Deb might want to buy that album.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh my god. Have you seen have you seen the video of the Red Hot Chili Peppers where Flea. I think I think it's like when they first like first get on stage and Flea is playing, and he can't hear his bass. No, I never saw that. And from across, he's he's yelling at the sound guy. He's fucking giving him the finger and just getting angrier and angrier. And he's playing harder and harder, and he's getting more and more frustrated. And Anthony Kitus comes out and he tries to calm him down and he's dancing around him or whatnot. And he realizes that Flea doesn't have his monitors in. Yeah.

Scott McLean:

That's why he can't hear his bass. He can't hear it dance. Yeah, you can't hear anything.

SPEAKER_03:

This poor this poor guy is like, wait a minute. It looks fine. It's looked fine. I swear it was perfect. It's perfect.

unknown:

It's perfect.

SPEAKER_03:

And he's, you know, Flea is supposed to be like, you know, Mr. Nice guy, right?

Scott McLean:

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Dude, he gets crazy.

Scott McLean:

Well, a lot of artists. I I I I've I've talked about this interview that I saw with Trent Reznor back in the day when uh Nine Inch Nails was like, we'll just say the late 90s, early 2000s, and they asked him why he destroyed his uh his synthesizers and and keyboards on stage, and he said, if the machine doesn't work, the machine must pay. I love that answer.

SPEAKER_03:

Right? Yeah, but that you know the the reality of it, that was a shtick. Yeah, yeah, of course.

Scott McLean:

It's the Pete Townsend thing, the Jimi Hendrix burning the guitar.

SPEAKER_03:

I I I saw nine-inch nails like back in the club days, and they were great. Yeah. But but I I'll tell you, at least from my standpoint, that's not a band that has aged well.

Scott McLean:

No, no, no, no, no, no. They did, they brought Gary Newman, who, by the way, is coming to Fort Lauderdale, but I I I I like Gary Newman. I like him a lot, but I'm not paying$125 to see him at a club. That's one thing I'm not doing.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I mean, look, that's where the Zatters kind of shoot themselves in the foot. Like, yeah, if Gary Newman was like$50, you'd probably go.

Scott McLean:

80. If it was$80, I'd go see him.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

Scott McLean:

That's like my limit for an older, you know, not like upper echelon band. So Foo Fighters is coming out with an album in 2026. Um, Gogina, which is like they're like the number one metal band in the world, man, right now.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, my kids love them.

Scott McLean:

I saw them back up, I told you this, I saw them back up corn, uh, and someone asked me how did you like them? I said, Well, I loved the first three songs, and then the rest of them sounded like the first three songs. Live, which you have to understand, you have to know the songs like to follow it live because it's really repetitive shit.

SPEAKER_03:

By the way, just because you mentioned them, you know, earlier we were talking about music tension and release, tension and release. Yeah. There's have you seen the video of corn in their opening number at Woodstock 99? Yeah, of course I have.

Scott McLean:

I watched it live on TV. I was there. Yeah. Yeah. That is. Are you ready? That is that is fucking crowd in the sink. It's fucking amazing. I was in it. Yeah, it's it's fucking amazing. I that that's one of those, that's like Prince guitar solo for While My Guitar Gently Sweet Sing uh Weeps. That fucking just the beginning of that uh that that concert and how they started off in the crowd erupting like that. It's fucking epic. Um, so you got now I don't know, maybe you can help me with this one. Ministry. I thought fucking Al Jorgens Jorgensen was done. Like, this was like two years ago was the last tour, and this is it, we're done.

SPEAKER_03:

So that there is a huge influx of albums that are coming out in 26. Do you know why? Leftover music? No, it's exactly what I talked about before. They're not making any money on Spotify. So they put out new music, it prompts them to go out and tour, and it may be something that they might sell to a soundtrack or a commercial or a video game. They're looking for revenue. These older artists, and ministry is an older artist, yeah. They they they have to do something to be able to maintain their.

Scott McLean:

But Al Jorgensen has to be what fucking 78 by now.

SPEAKER_03:

No, he's not that old. Look it up.

Scott McLean:

Look it up.

SPEAKER_03:

All right, all right, I will. Al Jorgen.

Scott McLean:

Maybe not 78. 78? I'd say he's in his his early 70s at the least. He's 67. Okay, he's not much older than us.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, he's six months older than you.

Scott McLean:

Hey. Hey. Easy. Six months older. You're 60 now, right? Yeah. Yeah, so shut the fuck up. All right. Yeah, I'm I'm 60. Yeah, I know you are. Dude, you missed the Vietnam draft by like this much. Well, I at least I didn't I didn't have to go over there. But you know what I did? I volunteered to serve this country, unlike you. I I went to rock shows and smoked dope. Exactly, and badmouth this country.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, I'm carrying a weapon overseas. You were carrying a you were carrying a weapon overseas while I was listening to Mick Jagger music. Yeah.

Scott McLean:

Fucking Pinko. Uh Papa Roche, nobody cares. Peter Gabriel. Nobody, yeah. He's irrelevant. Really, at this point. Yeah, but you're you're saying you're not a Peter Gabriel fan. But I know I know his popularity. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not stupid. I know he's popular, but how is a Peter Gabriel album in 2026 gonna go? Well, it it depends. Is it good? We'll see, right? Uh, social distortion. You like social D? I love Social D. Uh, Big Head Todd the Witch Rocket loves fucking that I think that's his favorite band of all time.

SPEAKER_03:

I love, love, love Social D.

Scott McLean:

They're ahead of their time. Uh, I forget the lead singer's name. Uh, Todd would be pissed at me. Uh, Mike Ness. Mike Ness with the fucking neck tattoos back in the 90s. Yep. Like nobody would nobody had done that. Like neck tattoos. Not like little ones today. Like, he had the full neck fucking tattoos. That dude was ahead of his time. And what a unique sound.

SPEAKER_03:

He is he is not straight from who he is. And I'll tell you, that that album, Live from the Roxy, yeah, fucking kicks his ass.

Scott McLean:

Yeah. Um The Black Crows.

SPEAKER_03:

They're on enough swing from a touring standpoint.

Scott McLean:

Tori Amos?

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

Scott McLean:

Right? But these are like this is that's why I I went Madonna. Like I so you know what? Maybe in the industry, there's a they know when these things cycle around. You know what I mean? Like, you know, the 80s fucking cycles around. The set like the 70s cycled around, like the 60s cycled around. Yeah. When we were younger, right? Yeah. All right.

SPEAKER_03:

I just thought it was kind of interesting that those it is actually interesting. Well, the Stones got a new album coming out, too.

Scott McLean:

I heard um uh a story about maybe it was Mick Jagger's daughter. Uh and they're in the studio, and she goes there and they she was like, they've been doing the same thing their whole lives. It's boring in there. Like they they will go all night and they just sit around and just like you know, make music. She said it's boring. You would think, oh, I'm going to see the Rolling Stones in the studio. Bring a pillow.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

You know who criticized the Stones like early on was John Lennon. Like, you know, the Stones are a good band, but they just do the same thing over and over and over and over again. Now I don't I don't personally agree with that. I'm a bigger Stones fan than that. And I actually think there's some good stuff on some of their later albums. But I think I think that like a lot of bands, you they actually pivot from making a great album to making an okay album with a couple of really good songs.

Scott McLean:

Like you two. You two I don't think they they'll be back. You know why they'll be back in 2026? Because of Trump. No, that's right.

SPEAKER_03:

I need to be heard. Oh, stop it. Let's not bring politics into this. I need to be heard. So you two, you two claims that they have 25 songs done for their album that is going to be released in June.

Scott McLean:

Well, again, I have not been a fan since uh Atomic Bomb. Atomic Bomb and uh How to Miss How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb. Yeah, and um All You Can Take With You.

SPEAKER_03:

I haven't not been a fan. All that you can take with you.

Scott McLean:

You just fucking making up titles. No, that's it. You know what it is. All that you can't leave behind. Yeah, whatever.

SPEAKER_00:

You know.

Scott McLean:

But those two albums came out uh just around 2011, 2010, 20, 2009.

SPEAKER_03:

They haven't done anything to impress me since uh the la the last album that they did, Songs of Experience. Uh, there there was some good stuff on it.

Scott McLean:

The the album before that was that the one with the gay album cover with fucking Larry Mullen on his knees hugging a guy in black and white holding his son? I don't think it was his son. It was his son dipshit. I don't care. Such an asshole. Perry, light fingers, Perry thatovich the AI says, you two guys have gone to more shows than anyone I've ever heard of. So you guys helped keep some artists afloat. And that's what, but you know what? We know that. And in but at this point in our lives, we're selective. I'm selective, right? I know you have your toy, you have your site. Like when corn comes, I gotta go see corn. Just like you gotta go see. No, no, I think you are, but you have you have like your again, and you're in a better concert. Geographically, a better concert. You know, you have more options. Yeah, um like you'll go see Dave Matthews, you'll go see Pearl Jam. You'll go see, you know, you have your your cycle. Like, I go to see corn every time they come down, which you still have to go see corn. I've seen corn. I've seen him.

SPEAKER_03:

I saw him at Woodstock 99. Oh, that's right. That's right. Okay.

Scott McLean:

Um, we just talked about that.

SPEAKER_03:

Wait a minute, wait a minute. In all honesty, you we just talked about that video. How the hell am I gonna go see corn again? How am I gonna top that experience?

Scott McLean:

I know you know how because they're fucking consistent, they're consistently fucking good. That's what I love about them. Um all right, real quick, before we go. Would you would you ever go see YouTube again? Not in a stadium, and I would have to like the album. I I think I would have to like the album.

SPEAKER_03:

I think that's fair.

Scott McLean:

Yeah. Uh, you know, I love YouTube. You know, I'm not, I'm not, I love YouTube. You we were there from the beginning.

SPEAKER_03:

Um here's here's a here's a recommendation for everybody that's listening. If he comes anywhere near you, the best tour, or one of the best tours that Deb and I saw in 2025 was David Byrne. Yeah, I'd love to see him. I would. That was it was just phenomenal. The visuals, the choreography, the band, the set list, which is back together. I don't think he needs to. What does he get out of it? I think they get a big money tour. I'm sure that they've been offered it a number of times, but what does he get? He's got a kick-ass band. He plays most of those songs anyway.

Scott McLean:

I get you. But money, money talks, man. Money talks.

SPEAKER_03:

That would be a huge fucking tour. David Byrne is one of those quirky guys that I just don't think. I'm not saying it would yeah, he's rich. I'm not, I'm, I'm not saying that it wouldn't happen.

unknown:

Right.

SPEAKER_03:

But I'm not sure how much he cares.

Scott McLean:

Right. Um, favorite concert of the year. Favorite concert. Not the best concert, not the biggest concert. Your favorite concert of the year. Nick Cave. Yeah, yeah. I can see that. Yeah, absolutely. Um, I'm gonna go with an outsider, man. I really, really enjoyed the Joe Perry project. I really enjoyed it. Like it was a good rock show. I hadn't gone to a show where it was just kind of light and they they weren't taking themselves too seriously, but they were playing great songs, and it was just fun to watch. And plus, I'm a big STP fan, you know what I mean? Of course, an Aerosmith fan. Um, I just think the comedy and the Black Crows, probably their number three on the well, of course, they're three on the list, but uh, I I always liked my so that was probably the most enjoyable show I went to with no expectation other than I'd like to see how this is gonna play, like how they're gonna look and how things are gonna play out. And uh, I was extremely pleasantly surprised.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I'm not I'm not surprised by you saying that. I mean, although I think you've changed your tune a little bit, I think as time has gone by, you've you've mellowed on that show because when we first talked about it, you were like, it was good.

Scott McLean:

I enjoyed it. I remember saying I enjoyed it. I really enjoyed the show. It wasn't the greatest show I ever saw. That's I think what I was saying. Wasn't the greatest show, but it was it was good to see, like, you know, look at Joe Perry. Well, he's gonna be like Ringo Starr, I think. He's gonna keep that fucking thing going every once in a while. And and you watched how when it caught a little momentum. When I saw them at the Hard Rock in Hollywood, they were only supposed to do five or six shows. Next thing you know, shows started getting added in different places because it it caught a little heat, right? Caught a little fire. But it was a very enjoyable show. I I really enjoyed that show. You know, I I didn't, like I said, it wasn't like going. Wasn't deep like going to see Depeche Mode or Radiohead or something like that. You know what I mean? It was a good rock show. So that's my pick for 2026. Well, all right. All right, buddy. We're at an hour. I don't want you falling asleep on me, you old man.

SPEAKER_03:

Just be just because you asked, I did look. David Byrne is worth 50 million dollars.

Scott McLean:

Yeah, that's how how much money does one man need?

SPEAKER_03:

But I I don't I don't know if this is accurate or not, but I looked at you know Tina Weymouth and Chris France, and they they're worth 30.

Scott McLean:

Well, remember the fucking dunnet, dun it, then, then it dun dun. Yeah, but uh you know how much money they make off that one song, which is something of love.

SPEAKER_03:

What's the I I wonder if um you know, if you go back and you look at the the talking heads records, did they split the writing credits?

Scott McLean:

Well, you yeah, that's that would be a good good uh good thing to to look at. Um not sure. I'm not sure. Maybe they did. Maybe they didn't write it together. Maybe David Byrne wasn't like Sting and comes into the studio with all the songs already written.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Um just because you were talking about going to concerts and stuff, yeah. I can tell you one concert that I am not going to this year. They announced at the Hampton Beach Casino. Oh boy, they announced it today. It's closing, right? Yes, yeah. So they announced uh three shows. So what were the three shows? There's one I can't remember. There's one with the guy from Cinderella playing with Buck Cherry. Screecherella. Yeah. And then David Lee Roth.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh no, no, oh no, no, no, no.

Scott McLean:

Have you seen the videos of his last tour? Have I ever? Dude, I was I was putting fucking videos up left and right, and I was getting people like, I love David Lee Roth. I went to see him, he was great. I'm like, oh, I don't know what you were looking at. Horrible. Doesn't even sing. The background singers should be on their own. Yep. Horrible. You know who I wouldn't go see if they announced a fucking final tour? The B-52s, because they are fucking horrible. Go watch some of their latest videos, some of their shows. Fucking horrible, dude. Now, how like you said about Corn, how could I top seeing the B-52s at Club Casino in Hampton Beach, New Hampshire, back in 1982, when they fucking and I had tickets, they wasn't my ticket, but I ended up sitting at a table right at the front of the stage. Like that was that was the B-52s right there. That was when they were like, how can you top that? So I know what you're saying. That was what, like 82? It was like 82, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing. And I I think, if I'm not mistaken, I maybe Till Tuesday backed them up before Till Tuesday was Till Tuesday. You know what I mean? I think that was on they were on the bill. Oh, they played the night. I remember seeing I it comes up on my feed every once in a while. But all right, buddy. Thank you for coming on. I appreciate your time. Even though you fucking yawned in my face three times. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, we'll I'm not gonna promise next week to anybody. Only Jack can do that.

SPEAKER_03:

Uh I think I think next week could potentially happen. All right. Let me know Wednesday or Thursday, whatever works for you. All right, why don't you look up some music interesting stuff? Why don't you?

Scott McLean:

Why don't you? No, no, why don't you you? Yeah. You can leave now. I will I will. Goodbye, everybody. You're still here. Why are you still here? You don't know how you've it's been so long. He doesn't even know how to fucking click himself off. There he goes. He's gone. Thank God. That was a long fucking hour and three minutes. All right. Well, like I always say, everybody, thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. If you liked it, share it. If you didn't like it, because Jack was on, uh, thanks for watching for an hour and four minutes and seven seconds. I appreciate that. And uh, as I always say, doing the show for you to quote my favorite artist, Morrissey. The pleasure, the privilege is mine, and I'll be back next week. I don't know about Jack.

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