Ep. 208 - When Music Lists Get It Wrong and Rock Hot Takes From 1971 To 1983

We go after music listicles that confuse genres, pad word counts, and still try to sound authoritative. Then we pivot from rock history and state-by-state band arguments to a movie list we actually like, plus a few recommendations worth your time. 

• calling out the “classic rock” label problem in 1983 song lists 
• giving Lionel Richie his respect while rejecting the category error 
• debating 1971 “high school hits” and what feels true now 
• unpacking why American Pie is brilliant and exhausting 
• reacting to Dark Side of the Moon “hidden truths” and the legends that won’t die 
• telling the Classic Albums Live story and why note-for-note matters 
• arguing the best band from every US state and where lists fall apart 
• running through “perfect movies” picks and what we’d actually watch 
• recommending Castle Rock for Stephen King crossover fans 

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Transcript

Cold Open And Old School Vibes

SPEAKER_05 1:09

What's up, everybody?

Scott McLean 1:19

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Start the night off a little Cypress Hill old school, baby. Check up there you go. There you go. Yeah. Rock to the old school Cypress Hill t shirt. You white people wouldn't know anything about that. Let's see, what do we got? Let's open up. Let's get the chat. Let's get the chat. Never get old. Alright. Alright, alright, alright. Welcome to the podcast. You know the name. I'm not gonna say we're streaming live right now over everything. Yeah. So get a uh I always get the building. Yeah, alright, alright. Alright. That's Cypress Hill. I want to get high. It's not my music, it's their music. I'm just sharing it and educating the white people out there that don't know anything about hip-hop, rap, old school. It's my job, though. That's my job. Part of my job. So, you know the routine. I got some articles today, looked at them, looked at the headline.

SPEAKER_05 3:14

Fucking microphone.

Scott McLean 3:16

Looked at the headline, said this this'll be interesting, and then uh now I'm gonna read them. So uh without any further ado, let's see what we got.

SPEAKER_05 3:27

Let me get rid of this. Alright. Get rid of some of that Cypress Hill. And let's go over here.

1983 List Sparks Genre Fight

Scott McLean 3:42

Boom! Alright, four timeless classic rock songs that came out in the great year of 1983. That was a good year for me. That's folks show. So let's see what it says. It's hard to beat the 80s as a decade in rock music. I don't know about that. I think the 70s might have the 80s beat in rock music. I think I think so, but okay. Okay. So many of the songs from that era still sound just as amazing today. These four timeless classic rock songs all came out in 1983 and will likely never get old. Alright. So, you know the routine. I haven't looked at this list. I just saw the headline and I opened it up, and I see the first song already. And well, it's not rock. Gail Thompson, who was probably born in 2007. Jesus Christ. You know, they they just it just doesn't take long. Doesn't take long. Let me Scotty D. Let me uh I'm doing something with this. Let's move it up over here. All right. There we go. I had to move the chat because it's covering me and I'm the star of the show. How dare them! Alright, so let's let's just jump right in. I need some I need some fucking turbo ice coffee for this one. I'll tell you that. Because this is some bullshit. The title of the article is Four Timeless Classic Rock Songs that came out in 1983. The operative words in this title are classic rock songs. This is what tells the reader what genre of music they're going to be learning about or disagreeing about or agreeing with. Classic rock songs. This nitwit. First song on the list all night long. Are you I mean, talk about fucking tone deaf. She wrote the title. Where on God's Green Earth does she think that Lionel Richie is classic rock? It's classic pop. I am by no means taking anything away from Lionel Richie. I always like Lionel Richie. Commodores, all his solo stuff. I wasn't into it at the time, but I'm not gonna say it was bad music. I'm not an idiot. I mean, the guy is uh he's one of the most prolific songwriters of his generation. Longevity says it all. And well, this nitwit, Gail Thompson, in the name of the fucking website is American Songwriter. Like, when what the fuck? How does she not differentiate pop from classic rock? Alright, I'm already way too into it right now. Alright. It was better where it was at. Yeah. Huh. You're a funny motherfucker. Alright, here we go. The debut single from Lionel Richie's sophomore can't slow down album, Richie wrote all night long by himself. Well, what do you know? He's a fucking songwriter. Inspired by his love of Caribbean, is it Caribbean or Caribbean? How do you pronounce you make the call? What is Billy Ocean saying? I always ask this question: Caribbean queen or Caribbean queen? Listen to it. Yeah, I don't know. Alright, the party song says, everybody sing, everybody dance, lose yourself, wild romance. We're gonna party. Karuma Fiesta Forever. Come on, blah, blah, blah, blah. Why are you gonna write all the fucking lyrics? She's this is all filler shit. She's an idiot. Richie Later told CNN that if he had to pick one last song to sing before he died, it would be all night long. Okay, and she just gets worse. This moronic writer, because she's definitely not a journalist. Maniac by Michael Cembello. Now, granted, I saw the movie. Everyone loved the movie just because. Every guy in the 80s around my age, a little older, a little younger, loved it just because from Flashdance, right? Uh Maniac is Michael Cimbelo's only big hit, and he's probably still making money off it. So, you know, on his Bossa Nova hotel record, Cembello wrote Maniac with Dennis Matkowski. Uh it's best known for being part of the iconic soundtrack Flashdance, also released in 1983. Flashdance is a movie, blah, blah, blah. The song says, and then she writes fucking lyrics again. This girl is a fucking moron. I could have wrote the AI could have wrote a better article. Uh there's no E after the R. Okay. You're you're already on my nerves, Scotty D. You're already on my nerves. Okay, uh, Stand Back. Now we're getting somewhere. Okay. Stand Back, Stevie Nicks, rock song. Yeah, rock. I'd put it in the rock category. It's got enough edge to it. But it could also be borderline pop, too. But it's more of a rock song than the first two. That's for sure. Let me guess. She's gonna say, I'm not even looking at the article below the picture, right? As you can see on the screen. Um Rib Bean. Okay. I know how she's gonna write this. She's already predictable. She's gonna say this song came off of Stevie Nicks' album, Bella Donna, or whatever, blah, blah, blah. And then she's gonna give a little blurb, and then she's gonna write lyrics. Watch, watch, watch. Let's see if I'm right. Stand back debut single from Navy uh Nick's sophomore. Okay, solo album Wild, the Wild Heart. A top five single. Nick's wrote the anthemic tune Best Played Loud by herself. Wow. Again, it's songwriter, American Songwriter is the website. So, and let's see. Standback says, and then I getting more lyrics. Well, there is no editors on these fucking websites. They just say, hey, you want to write for a website? Sure. Okay. Just give me 500 words. Give me, but give me a thousand words. Okay. And you know what? Three quarters of those are going to be lyrics that I don't have to write. I just copy and paste. Journalism is dead. Fucking dead. I won't hold you back by Toto. Now is Oh Jesus. Some songs convey emotional anxiety. I don't even remember this fucking song. The guys from Music Relish, they they know about Toto. They love Toto, actually. Toto is a very talented band. But oh shit, my phone's low. Let's see. Let's go see what this song. See if I remember this song. I must remember it, right? I won't hold you back. I won't hold you back. Here we go. This is classic rock? What the fuck? What the fuck? Ay, no more. No more. No more. No more. No more. No, no, no. Again, it says uh four timeless classic rock songs that came out in 1983. Yeah, no. This is an absolute bomb, this fucking article. Jesus Christ. Hey, you got the Asian chick with the big, well, that's not this kind of show, but if you're interested, it's Korean dates. There's always articles on these things. All right, let's get the fuck out of it. Let's get uh this is not a good sign of things to come. Fortunately, I have uh I think what is a pretty good movie article that I'll finish up with. So Dave Hall, my two buddies from the Philippines, Dave Hall and uh Scotty D, Scotty Dethridge. Dave Hall, uh me, Scotty D, uh, who else? Elston, Rob Elston, uh Paul Diciano, John Logan, and uh who else? I don't know. And me and Scotty D are all going back to the Philippines. We're going back to Clark in February. Yeah, going back to where it all began, buddy. Doing a what do you call it? A pilgrimage back to the old stomping grounds. All right, let's get rid of that article. Fucking bullshit. Total bullshit. Alright, what do we got next? This fucking better be good. Alright, now let's, you know where we're gonna go back? We're gonna go back to a time that fucking it was classic rock. Okay. It was classic rock, no doubt about it. So this article, let me get rid of this garbage fucking. Not a good way to start the show with that fucking article. But that's what I get when I don't screen the fucking the articles, right? That's what I get. There we go. This ought to be a little more entertaining.

SPEAKER_05 14:30

Uh where'd the chat go?

SPEAKER_00 14:33

Get rid of this. Let's hit the chat back.

SPEAKER_05 14:40

Show it on the stream. There we go. Show it on the stream. There we go. Alright. Let me do this. Rounded. Alright, and let's uh raise it up.

Scott McLean 15:01

There we go. Alright, that's better. Alright, this article has it's gotta be a little more entertaining.

1971 High School Hits Debate

Scott McLean 15:08

Five songs that proved 1971 was the best year for high school hits. Now, in 1971, Scott Detridge, my buddy, wasn't even born yet. I don't even think Dave Hall was born yet in 71. 81, 91. Well, maybe they were. They were born somewhere in there. But they're not ready. They weren't old enough to remember this shit. So all right, let's see. Five songs approved that 1971 was the best year for high school hits. Uh at its inception in the mid-50s, rock and roll gave, well, rock and roll was geared toward teenage audiences, and by 1971, artists were still writing songs that would resonate with people in high school. Uh, to hear those hits today likely brings back memories for those who were still working toward the diplomas back then. But if you were born decades after the release of these songs, like David Bowie's Changes or blah, blah, blah, blah, the songs on this list will still likely, are still likely relatable to your teen sensibilities. So, right off the bat, they give you a hint of what one of the songs is going to be, right? So let's see, what do we got? All right, high school is a time for exploration, rebellion. Here we go. Another guy that just needs to fucking fill in words. I need a thousand words. Just write a thousand words. I don't care what you write. And then hit print, hit send. All right, there we go. Changes, David Bowie. All right. All right. Uh let's see. David Bowie's song Changes off his fourth album. Yeah, I was gonna say hunky dory. Is a bona fide classic today. Yes, it is. But in 71, when the song was new, it's easy to imagine high school is feeling seen and understood by the lyrics. And another is this the same lady? Tell me it's not. Amy Beaman. Was that the other lady too? No, this is crunch. What is it with women fucking writing the the they put the fucking lyrics in there? Well, understood the lyrics, and then she does tell them not going to read the lyrics. Especially given the divide between counterculture kids and the adults of the time who gave them little credit. You don't know anything about that time. Idiot. According to they really didn't understand us, but according to Fire Out magazine, Bowie thought of the song as uh kind of a throwaway. It was among his first tracks written on piano, uh, and the upbeat rhythm alternates with spare parts, weaving a compelling sonic experience that even incorporates some silky saxophone at the end, possibly to the delight of the high school band kids. Oh boy. While the song didn't make much of a splash upon its initial release, over time it became uh it become it's become something of an anthem for the teens who are in the midst of figuring out who they are as they grow into adulthoods, and that's not true. That's not true. This generation of teens or the generation of teens when I was coming up, they might have been listening to some Bowie, but teenagers like that were listening to the Smiths and the Cure. Yeah, that's what they were listening to for that kind of music. Anyway, okay, moving on. Brand new key, Melanie. I got a brand new rule skates. You got a brand new key. Nah, I'm not even gonna go into this one. Not even

Overplayed Anthems And Meaning Wars

Scott McLean 18:37

gonna do it. American Pie Don McLean. If this is not, if this is not in the top five most fucking overplayed songs in the history of music, I don't know what is. This song is so overplayed. And it has been for years, and good for Don McLean, good for him, made a lot of money off it, still making money off it. Uh good deal, but I think this would give maybe Stairway to Heaven a run for its money in the overplayed song category. A whole generation, this song just uh all the meanings, and everyone's like, oh, this is what this means, and this is what that means. And if you saw the documentary on Don McClain, I think it has something in the name about American Pie. He breaks down this whole song and he tells you like it is, and I remember watching it and saying, Oh, wow, okay. So the end of it when he uh took off to the sky, uh, he broke that down, what that was about. And uh I went on, I went on Facebook and I said, Hey, just in case you were wondering, and I didn't say I saw the documentary, you know, the song American Pie, well, this is what the ending means, this is what it means. And people actually argued with me. And then I said, Well, did you watch the documentary? Because Don McLean himself says this is what it's uh and you actually I actually had people saying, I don't believe it. Like, are you kidding me? When the writer writes it and says it, and then tell, and then they're like, nah, that's not the meaning. So, I mean, it does say something about the song, right? The song, and I'm not saying it's not a great song, it's an amazing song. It's brilliantly written, it's it's got everything you got in a song. Everything a song needs. It's just fucking overplayed. That does not mean I don't like the song. Uh let me see. Lara says uh my daughter played saxophone. Uh they played a lot of Chicago songs. I actually enjoyed going to see the school concerts. Yeah. Hey, listen, um, my stepdaughter was in chorus, and they had the greatest Christmas fucking uh uh uh uh what do you call them? Um recitals. They were great. Like she was in the I'm not bragging, but she was in like the the the the elite like group. I they they did competitions and stuff, so you expect it to be really good. Yeah, yeah, I I bet those guys I bet that shit sounded good, uh Laura, especially when your kids in the band. That that's gotta make it sound even better. Yeah, no doubt. Uh-oh. Dave lost audio. Can you guys hear me?

SPEAKER_05 21:45

Can you guys hear me? Fuck.

SPEAKER_00 21:50

Let me check something. Audio. My audio looks good.

Scott McLean 22:00

Can you guys hear me? I think you can. Dave Hall's freaking me out now. I know there's a 12-second delay, so if someone if you hear me, just say yeah. Someone in the chat just say yeah, I hear you. Um and then I gotta wait. So I don't continue on. Uh can you hear me? Can you hear me? Bueller? Bueller? It's back. Okay. Jesus. Thank you, Dave Hall. Uh, let me see. Music Relish Show. That's uh Lightfinger's Peridovich, the AI. He's in uh he's in cognito now. The Music Relish Show. Uh he says, Stay away to heaven, American Pie, and Dream On. Yeah, I was gonna say Dream On to another one that of those 70 songs. Uh can you hear me now? Ha ha. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, let me see. Uh, do I want to read all this about Don McClain's American Pie is a song of the. I think, I think everybody listening probably knows what, you know. And then this girl decides to put lyrics in her thing again, too. I swear they're just filling fucking space. So she puts in lyrics, and then the next paragraph begins with the roughly eight-minute long song. Excuse me, Jesus. The roughly eight-minute long song. You can't even fucking look up the length of the song. But but but but you'll write fucking, you'll copy and paste lyrics. The roughly eight-minute long song was released in October of 71. Blah, blah, blah. Including what you call one of the five greatest songs of the 20th century by the Recording Industry Association of America. Which is true. This is why it's fucking overplayed, too. Bob O'Reilly, the Who. There you go. That's a fucking drinking song right there. That's a fucking cellar dweller party drinking song. That's a house party drinking song. Shit. That motherfucker came on. That stereo better be loud. Where I grew up, everybody had their own sound system. Everybody had a system. And whatever configuration it was, I'll never forget I had the Techniques turntable. I had the Morantz double cassette player. And I had the Sansui 100-watt receiver fucking with some uh Bose 301s. In my fucking house, my the the house we lived in, the upstairs, it's a two-apartment place. We eventually took the home, like we owned it, but uh upstairs at the time, uh, it was probably I I would say no bigger than 900 square feet. It was a small, maybe 800 square feet. Maybe. Maybe. Two bedroom, one bath. How big is it? And I used to fucking rock the fucking windows with that shit. Uh let me see. Ain't nothing but a house party. That's right. So uh why a song that repeatedly says the edgy and provocative words teenage waste. Who the fuck says that edgy, those words edgy and and provocative? But never says Bob O'Reilly. Okay. Uh, but for the purpose of this article, just accept that that that's the name. Blah, blah, blah. I hate reading these fucking people. Oh my god. I should just start writing for these fucking places. I should just submit and say, hey, I can do this better. But I don't want to waste my time. I got other things to do. I got shit to do. Uh I'm not gonna read any of this because I guarantee is there lyrics? Did she put lyrics in there? Did she put lyrics in there? They're all wasted. Okay, whatever. Uh, never been to Spain. Three Dog Night. Okay, so here we here we go, here we go, here we go, here we go. Five songs that prove the operative part of this title is 1971. Right? For the viewers, you can see it. For the listeners, trust me. Five songs are proven that 1971. So I go through and I get to number five, Bowie and Melanie and Don McLean and the Who. And then you get to number five. Remember the number 1971. Remember the year, 1971. And then it says, never been to Spain, three dog night. And then it says, Oh, okay, three dog night, March 31st, 1972. It's a YouTube video. Okay. I thought she was going to be that stupid. Uh, and three dogs nights. Well, I never been to heaven. I we all know that. If you grew up at that time, you've heard it. You've heard it. I I wouldn't put it in this category. But he also has Melanie roller skates in there. So, yeah. Oh, she. So the the women uh for two. The women are 0 for 2 tonight on their articles.

Dark Side Of The Moon Trivia

Scott McLean 27:19

11 hidden truths about Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon. Let's see if there's anything. And who wrote this? Brian Boone. Okay. Let's see if there's anything revealing. Like, there's a big like, oh wow, I never knew that shit. Let's see. Let's see if they list uh before it was an album, it was a conceptual performance piece. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it got recorded. Uh, someone recorded it and sent it to a radio station. Someone went in and stole it, and there was a whole thing about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's we know I I knew that. It marked a personal and professional moment of bliss for Pink Floyd. Well, I don't know if that's a the band whose existence was often fraught with creative and personal attention, despite Dark Side of the Moon's despondent thematic content of the material recording. Oh, hello. Should be another one coming in a second. Uh, it was very creative time. There you go. I knew that was coming. Uh, making it to the theme, who cares? Whatever. How Claire Torrey stole the show and didn't get credit, but she finally did. And that is widely considered, widely considered maybe the best song on the album. And there's no lyrics. Just her with that amazing voice. Now, there's there's a there's a there's a group out of camera there. It's it's it's more like a um what would you call it? Uh they they they they tour, but they have different incarnations. It's almost like Cirque de Soleil, right? They have this camp will go out and do this one, and then this camp will go out and do that one, but it's all under the Cirque de Soleil

Hearing Dark Side Played Note For Note

Scott McLean 29:00

umbrella. Well, this this this group is called Classic Albums Live, and I I would see them back in the early 2000s at the Hard Rock uh Casino, hotel and casino down in Hollywood before they put the big guitar there. And they would play this little club, and it was like 10 bucks to get in. And what they did was, and me and my friend Phil Kelly just roamed in there one day. Uh, he was down visiting, and it was Led Zeppelin 2 or something. And what they do is they play uh the album from front to back, note for note. Like they don't talk to the audience while they're doing the album, they all dress in black, and they're amazing, amazing musicians. And so when they came out and and did their little tour, like their little of Dark Side of the Moon, they actually had a woman who did this song. And it's it was amazing to hear somebody just basically mimicked that perfectly. This woman mimicked it perfectly. Because the albums that these this group, Classic Albums Live, this this touring group, um they know these albums that they do, uh, note for note, you're listening and you're waiting for them to mess up. Like, oh, that you said no, and and but they they nail everything. They nail it uh all the way up to the the uh sound effects for money at the beginning of the the beginning of the uh the song. Uh they have somebody on stage recreating all that and they it's it's crazy. And then they go into the song and they fucking play them perfect. And then when they're done with the album, they go off stage and they come back on, and now they're more relaxed. And now they're gonna do like a greatest hits of like Pink Floyd, because that's the album that they did, and they're more relaxed with the audience. And uh, it's an amazing show. If you ever look them up, if they ever come to your area, Classic Albums Live, they do they've done everything from Purple Rain to Led Zeppelin One. Uh just an amazing group of musicians, and uh they did this, and it it's it's it's really uh it's it gives you goosebumps watching somebody mimic this perfectly. And Claire Torrey eventually got her due, and she got her writing credit. It was fucked up while they treated them, but back then it was what it was. I'm not gonna get into the whole story. Uh, let me see. New techniques were invented for Dark Side of the Moon. And there's a picture of Alan Parsons, right? I believe. And uh yeah, you know, so uh brain damage is about Sid Barrett. I think a lot of people that know about Pink Floyd know that. The lunatic is on the grass. Uh on the Run was written on the fly. Okay. Those interviews are real. Yeah, they are real interviews. And story goes, they were going to interview Paul McCartney, and they they didn't. He was being all cute and shit, and they didn't want that shit. They wanted real people. So they got like the guy that was the fucking janitor in the studio, and they this old whatever English guy, and that's one of the guys you hear talking, and they had the secretary. Uh, you know, uh, he's cruising for a bruising, and you know, and the other guy certainly was in the right. Like those are during these conversations, and it was just brilliantly put together that way. Uh, the cover is iconic, yep. The prism, right? I think that's that. It's among the most successful albums ever. These are no surprises. Dark side of the rainbow isn't really a thing. It's when you match up the first, you know, when the lion roars for the third time or the second time uh at the beginning of The Wizard of Oz, drop the needle on the record or hit play on your CD or your DVD player, and it mimics it the music goes along with what's going on. The movie it is one of those schisms in time that just fucking happened. It just happened. And the brain plays tricks with music. The brain wants to match things up with music. You could take a look, so I did this for a little while. I post these videos. Uh, I would get like um I'd get like the dance scene in the in the auditorium for West Side Story. Uh, you know, when they're both facing off, and it's a great dance scene. The rest of the movies kind of gay, but you know, I didn't realize that until I was older. It's another story. When you watch these gang members dancing around and piroetting, and I was like, I thought these, like when I was a kid, what was I thinking? Right? Like, what the fuck? These dudes are all like the ballerinas with leather jackets and fucking barracuda jazz. I'm like, what? And then I realized, yeah, it's not the movie I thought it was when I was a kid. Shocks in the jets, yeah, yeah, yeah. Then when you you're you're 21 and you watch it and you're like, what the fuck?

unknown 33:56

What?

Scott McLean 33:57

Go back and watch that movie and and and just look at the gang members. Just yeah. And then you start looking at the the backup gang members, and well, just gonna say they they don't look that tough. They don't look that tough. Let me see. So, dark side of the rainbow isn't a thing, but that that's the thing. That's the thing. Dark side inspired light shows and remakes and blah, blah. All right, that's that's boring. Let me get you know what? I'm already 34 minutes into this. All right, let's get rid of this. And I'm back. Let's see. All right, let me try to find another one. Do I want to do the movie? The movie one's kind of long. Um so we picked the best band from every state. No, it's this is the one, yeah. I got the 10 most perfect movies for the last 40 years. Or I can do so. We picked the best band from every US state. That's 50. I could I I want to do this movie one though, too. Well, I don't have to. I can go beyond an hour, so I don't care. All right, let's go with this. Let's

Best Band From Every State

Scott McLean 35:16

do the state one, the one with I agree, whatever. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 35:28

Bring it up on the screen. There we go.

Scott McLean 35:37

And I can only imagine some of the bands that are in this thing. Like, we're gonna hear bands from Idaho. Who's the best band ever in Idaho? I bet you can't wait. All right, so we picked the best band from every U.S. state. Who did we choose for yours? Now, you know, you're gonna get like New York is gonna be a tough one. LA is gonna be a tough one. Uh, Boston is gonna be kind of a tough one. You can use Chicago, like you're gonna get these Detroit. There's gonna be a little competition there. But for the most part, like fucking Alabama, okay, maybe the band Alabama, right? What about South Carolina? I mean, yeah, Florida's gonna be interesting. So let's get to it. All right. Uh take a cross-country road trip through the legendary acts that define the sound and spirit of all 50 states. Here we go. Let's go for a ride. I'm not gonna read the blah, blah, blah. Greatest album. No, no, that's not it. Here we go. Uh, the best band from every state, Alabama. Well, what do you know? Alabama. And then coming in second, the Commodores and third, Alabama Shakes. I'll go with that. The Commodores were great, but they they they had they didn't have longevity. Who what about Alaska? The Portugal man. Portugal the man. Uh blending psychopop flair with infectious hooks. See, this is what I mean. Portugal, the man, is Alaska's most successful export. I uh okay. The steady evolution of indie experimentalists uh to global stars with feel it still showcases. Hey, I'll check them out. I don't know. They look kind of funky. Uh and number two is 36 crazy fists. Number three, uh, the builders and the butchers. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 37:27

All right. Let's see. Let's bring this up over here.

SPEAKER_00 37:35

There we go again. What the fuck? Rounded.

Scott McLean 37:43

All right. We got Arizona. Jimmy Eat World. And you got the format and Alice Cooper. Really? Really? Jimmy Eat World over Alice Cooper? The gin blossoms are from Arizona too, but well, they were limited because, well, but they're back. But I I wouldn't say Arizona's premier musical export moved from DI uh DIY emo roots to global alt rock stardom. I don't know. Alice Cooper's in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, so already. Let's see. Arkansas, Evanescence, okay. Black Oak, Arkansas, and Gossip. Evanescence. Okay. California, here we go. The Beach Boys, right? And then you got the Eagles, the Doors, the Grateful Dead, the Rally. I wouldn't even put the red, well, the Red Hot Chili Pubs. It's because I don't like them, but uh, the Beach Boys, I guess, yeah. Over the Eagles, the Doors, the Grateful Dead. There's a lot of dead fans that would say, well, no, because the Grateful Dead had longevity and probably put out fucking 27 more albums than the Beach Boys. But the Beach Boys is California. So where are we going now? Colorado. Let's see with the Luminaires. Okay. And then The Frey and One Republic. One Republic is. I think that's a is that a boy band, I think. Okay. The Luminares. Colorado's premier musical export. Revitalized the folk rock, Johnny. I've heard of the name, but this is why I've never listened to the music. I don't like that shit. Connecticut, the carpenters. There you go. Followed by MGMT and Hate Breed. Delaware. George Thoroughgood and the Destroyers. I don't think there's a there's no competition in Delaware. It's the size of a fucking paperclip. The Spinto Band and Boy Sets Fire come in third. Florida. Tom Petty and the Hotbreakers. Alright, followed by Leonard Skinnard. Casey and the Sunshine Ben. Leonard Skinner, Tom Petty and the Hotbreakers. Okay. Okay. I'll give the nod to Tom Petty. Yeah. That's a close one, though. Georgia. REM, of course. And I guarantee the B-52s are going to be in there. And who else is going to be in there? Let's see. Outcast, the Allman Brothers. Okay. The Allman Brothers should have been. I'd put them above Outcast. I don't know what they're doing. Anyway, I'm not going to get all worked up over this. Hawaii. Who's the number one band from Hawaii? Calapana. I'm not even getting the Sunday Moana and Pepper. Yep. Goodbye. Idaho. Here we go. Built to spill, right? I've never met anyone from Idaho. Have you? You haven't met anyone from Idaho? I don't know. Let me see something. Hold on. One second. Let me interrupt this program for the Alright, what's going on there? Let me see something. Okay, one second. Let me interrupt. Sometimes I just don't trust it. Okay. Built the Spill from Idaho. Paul Rivera and the Raiders. I didn't know they were from Idaho. Okay. Hey, you learn something new every day. Reckless Kelly. Okay, good for her. Illinois. Earth, Wind and Fire. Earth Wind and Fire. Smashing Pumpkins in Chicago. Some people might put Chicago at the top of that list. Some people might put Chicago. Bobby G! What's up, buddy? Yeah, some people might put Chicago at the top of the list from Illinois, but Earth, Wind and Fire, okay. I can't argue with it. I would put Chicago above smashing pumpkins. I don't know. I don't know. But what what do I know? Indiana. Yeah, the Jackson 5. It's got to be them. Then John Mellencamp and the Street Band. Where the fuck is the street band? Where did that come from? And then there's a big drop off. The Spaniels. Iowa. Here we go. Slipknot.

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Slipknot. Let me see. Let me see. Slipknot.

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Here we go. Let's see. Let's see. Slipknot.

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And where is it? Where is it? Uh here

Clips And Curveball State Picks

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we go.

Scott McLean 42:29

I love this fucking song.

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I fucking write up to the side.

Scott McLean 42:35

Yeah, I I like slip knot. I do like this.

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I'm shallow.

Scott McLean 43:11

Yeah, that's a slip knot. That's a slipknot right there. I like slipknot.

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Okay.

Scott McLean 43:15

The Everly Brothers and the Envy Corps Corpse. Whatever. Kansas. Well, naturally it's Kansas. Then it's the Get Up Kids and Pa. Kentucky. My morning jacket. Okay. Blending expansive psychedelic rock with soulful alt country. I like I like psychedelic rock. Maybe I'll check them out. All right. All right. And then you got uh Slint and Cage the Elephant. Louisiana. What do we got? The meters. Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. Now, if you've never heard the meters, I'm gonna give you some meters right now. Yeah. I mean a little. There we go. Let me see. Here we go.

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Uh uh Fuck yeah You don't know nothing about this people called the Sissy Strut this jail Yeah you don't know nothing about the meat of people I'm teaching some shit tonight I'm preaching tonight baby then better than Ezra and the Neville brothers What do we got from Maine?

Scott McLean 44:47

The ghost of Paul Rivere that's original from Maine, New England, Paul Rivera, the Gus, the rustic overtones and cruel hand. Blah, blah, blah. Maryland, what do we got? Maryland Animal Collective, good Charlotte, and Clutch. I've I've heard of Good Charlotte. That's it. And I don't even know if I like them that much. Massachusetts, gotta be Arosmith, right? Pixies and the Cars. I'd put the Cars before the Pixies. I don't know what this idiot was thinking. Uh anyway. Michigan, the Supremes. The Temptations and the White Stripes. Okay. Alright. There's a couple other bands in there. Kid Rock, right? Kid Rock, yeah. I believe the Stooges? The Stooges are from there. Iggy Pop's from there. I'd put them before the White Stripes, but I'm not writing the article. Minnesota, yeah, it's gotta be Prince, right? It's not even the Revolution, it's just Prince. The Revolution was just one iteration of Prince. Because then after the revolution, he had Prince in the new power generation. So yeah, I think this person should just write fucking Prince. This frustrates me some nights. Huskadoo and the replacements. Mississippi, three doors down. The lead singer just died. He died like, I don't know, maybe maybe less than a year ago. They were pretty cool. They had a little run in the 90s, late 90s, early 2000s. Missouri, who else is there? The North Mississippi All stars in the weeks. In Missouri, we have the Urge, Puddle of Mud, and Uncle Tupelo. I've heard of Puddle of Mud. They're pretty good. Montana, the Mission Mountain Wood Band.

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Holy fuck. Holy fuck. Kitchen Dwellers in Silkworth.

Scott McLean 46:50

The Mission Mountain Wood Band. Fucking Montana. Well, there you go. Nebraska, Bright Eyes. Good lord. The Faint and 311. I think 311's probably.

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Anyway.

Scott McLean 47:08

The Killers for Nevada. The Killers. Okay, okay. Imagine Dragons, okay. And Panic and the Disco. You see a trend there with those three bands. They they all basically, except for the Killers. But they were all good. They all they all had had good shit. Here we go. New Hampshire. Oh, the Shags. This fucking group. I just saw something. Oh, you know who played this? The fucking Music Relish the other night. They played the Shags. Yeah. They had a video of them. It's fucking campy as fuck. How are they? The best in band from Jesus, New Hampshire. Sisophyte. Is that a lesbian band? I had to say it. I just had to say it. I'm sorry. Sorry. I had to say it. Nothing wrong with it either. It's all good. That's all good. Moving on. Our last night. New Jersey. Let's see. New Jersey. Bruce Springsteen. Okay. Parliament Funkendelic and the Sherelles. At least they didn't put fucking Bonjoy there. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Lord. At least they did something. This writer did something right. Parliament Funkendelic. They they they were they were uh they were they paved the way. And the Sherelles. There you go. All right. New Mexico, what do we got? The Shins, a Hawk, and a Hacksaw, and the Fireballs. New York, the Velvet Underground. Really? Okay. Fucking two albums. Talking Heads. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. The fucking talking heads aren't from New York. They went to school in fucking Providence, Rhode Island. That's where they met. That's where they they just went to New York. New York's fertile art school scene. Oh, I'm pretty sure they went to fucking school in Rhode Island, but the Ramones, the Beastie Boys, and Blondie. I I would probably put Blondie ahead of the Velvet Underground. Hello. Anyway, North Carolina, the Avott Brothers, okay, they got their little thing going. Corrosion of Conformity and Super Chunk. North Dakota, the Blender's hands in secret cities. Ohio, Devo. The Isley Brothers and the Black Keys. That's a good trio. Oklahoma, the flaming lips, the gap band, and the all-American rejects, the gap band. Oregon, the Decemberists, the Dandy Warhols. Dandy Warhols, you probably wouldn't know anything about them. They did, they basically went and just took over Europe. They were bigger over there than they were here. If you watched Veronica Mars, the old TV show Veronica Mars, which was one of my guilty pleasures, you would hear, let me see. This is actually a pretty cool song. Alright, alright, alright. Sorry, going too long. I'm not gonna get to my movie. Pennsylvania, Haulin' Oats, the Roots Poison, Rhode Island, the throwing muses, dare track, lightning, South Carolina. I got a long way to go. S-T-U-V. Alright, let's get it. South Carolina, Hootie and the Blowfish, the Marshall Tucker Band and Band of Horses from South Carolina, South Dakota, the Spill Canvas, Indigenous Judd, Tennessee, Big Star, blah, blah, blah. Kings of Leon. All right. Texas is ZZ Top. It's gotta be Pantera, 13th Floor Elevator. Utah, I'm almost there. The used neon trees, national parks. Vermont, Fish with the PH. Grace Potter and the Nocturnals and Twiddle. Virginia, Dave Mason band. Okay. Dave Matthews band. I'm sorry. Lamb of God and Gua. Washington, you know, Nirvana. Then Hart, Foo Fighters, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden. You might say Hart, but okay. West Virginia is Biz Nante, blah, blah, blah. Wisconsin, the violent FEM, garbage, which turned out to be garbage at the end of their career. She was a piece of shit. I used to love Shirley Manson, but she turned into a real fucking piece of work at the end of her career in the last tour. Just a fucking big mouth. The Lillingtons and Righteous Vendetta. And last but not least, Washington, D.C. Fugazi, Bad Brains, Minor Threat. Okay. Alright, there you go. I got through that. I got through that. See, do I? I'm just gonna go a little further. What the hell? I got nothing else to do. I'm gonna finish this off. Get that open. We're gonna go out with a good one. There we go. Get rid of this.

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And this go. There we go.

Perfect Movies List And What Holds Up

Scott McLean 53:16

All right. The 10 most perfect movies of the last 40 years. So 40 years is going back to what? What are we in? 2026 right now. So you go back to 2016, uh, 2006, going back to 96, going back to 86. Okay. All right, 40 years. That's when I was that's when I was uh about to go to the Philippines. All right, here we go. Over the course of the last 40 years, uh many film industries of the world have provided Cinephiles worldwide with several exceptional films from arthouse dramas to genre blockbusters. All right, this person, Diego Pineda Pacheco. I guarantee this guy is gonna be fucking punt, gonna be pompous, and he's gonna pull out these fucking crazy movies that no one's heard about just so he can look edgy. Let's see. Don't don't let me down, buddy. Here we go. 10. After Sun from 2022. There you go. One of the most impressive directorial debuts, 21st century. Maybe even more emotional powerful fact of the semi-autobiographical portrait of Wells' relationship with her father. Charlotte Wells. Uh A24 distributed. A24 puts out some pretty good horror movies, too. Uh shows just how immense an effect arthouse cinema can have. It's also one of the most depressing movies of the last 10 years. There you go. That's a no-go. Let's move on. Uh what's the next one? What's that? Come on, come on. Mad Max Fury Road. Mad Max Fury Road is actually a pretty good movie. Tom Hardy doesn't say much in it, but it's actually a well-done movie with Charlie Sterin, right? I thought it was good. I don't know if it's one of the best movies of the last 40 years. I I don't know. I'd have to look at a list of the movies, but it's it's a good movie. If you've never seen it, go watch it. Mad Max Fury Road. Not Furiosa. I I've I've got mixed reviews on that, so I'm waiting to watch it. I know it came out a while ago, but uh I guess that's like a that's like a as I call them Wednesday afternoon movies when nothing's going on. Cinema Paradiso, that is my wife, Dr. Vera's absolute 100% stone cold lock favorite movie of all time. And it is a great fucking movie. Cinema Paradiso is a great movie. One of my favorite pictures of her is we were on the the cruise ship the Allure, uh really big cruise ship, and uh they have a a poster, a movie poster, and it's framed, and it's on the wall of like an outs an outdoor like on the thing on the ship, and she's sitting at a little cafe table, and the movie posters right next, like above her, and next to her. It's a pretty good picture. Yeah, that's a good movie. Go see it, watch it, go rent it, go whatever you gotta do, Netflix, Amazon, cinema paradiso, you will not be disappointed. So I concur do the right thing. Again, I was just talking about this movie recently. If you have not seen Do the Right Thing, it starts off very calm, but it is an edgy, it'll get under your skin movie. It's and it's not, it's just one day, one day, one summer day in in New York. I think it takes place in the Bronx. Lot of lot of young actors are in it that went on to do good things. Um, Danny Aiello, Rosie Perez, Mike Lee, you got uh John Tutoro's in there. If you haven't seen Do the Right Thing, uh, it's definitely uh it takes you on an emotional roller coaster. It's it's uh it's very provocative. Uh so do the right thing, 19. I agree. Go watch it, go watch it, go watch it. That and cinema paradiso so far, you get two winners right there. City of God. I haven't seen that yet. I don't know if I want to see it. Um but I might. I might. I guess I will. I guess I will. Uh let me see. Shindler's List goes without saying. Just don't be Jerry Seinfeld and make out in the movie theater while you're watching Shindler's List. That was a great episode. Spirited Away. Uh, that is a Japanese anime, I believe. It's a Japan's greatest film is practically Face the Studio. Anime, yeah, cinema as a whole. Um those are very you have to really like anime. You have to, but they're always interesting. This Japanese just are great story writers. They just great story writers. So are the other Koreans, same thing. Uh they just know Goodfellas, 1990. I think everybody has seen that. Shawshank Redemption, right? I just watched, if you've never watched it, it's on Netflix. If you want to watch uh a very interesting two-season uh uh TV show, it's called Castle Rock. It's on Netflix, and it kind of uh it's it's it takes place uh in Castle Rock where Shawshank Prison is, and there's a lot of crossover. Um lot of crossover between uh different Stephen King books. I I think you'd be and I think you it crosses over uh to there's it brushes with Salem's Lot, it brushes with um uh Shawshank Redemption, it brushes with uh what other ones are there? Um Misery, it brought like it just there's a lot, it's a really interesting. I think there's eight episodes to each season, and it came out in 2019. So uh Shawshank Redemption, the movie we all know is a great movie. But if you're interested in that Stephen King stuff, it's it's season one is a very thought, like you have to really pay attention. But it's it's a really good show. Go watch Castle Rock, it's on Netflix, only two seasons. It's it's good why every episode is good, every episode is interesting. Uh, good characters, good writing. And what do we got? Number one, Lord of the Rings, Return of the King, of course. And why not? I I can't argue. I can't argue with really any of these. I can't argue with any of these. Uh I haven't seen City of God yet. Maybe I have uh Cinema Paradiso, Mad Max Riro. I liked it. I just don't think it's one of those greatest movies. After Sun, it says it's depressing, so I won't watch it. So, yeah, yeah. So there you go. I I I like I like the list. I like the list. Uh and pretty much that's

Wrap Up And What To Listen To

Scott McLean 1:00:07

it. Where am I at? I'm right at an hour. I finished perfect time. Like, I'm glad I did that. All right. Well, I don't want to waste anyone else's time. I don't want to waste any more of your time, and I gotta go hang out with Dr. Vera. So um yeah, that's it. That's it. Uh I see Big Head Todd was uh come, he came on a little late. Uh it doesn't matter. I don't know. Anyway, all right, everybody. I hope you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching, thanks for listening. If you like it, share it. If you didn't like it, well, thanks for watching for one hour and 42 seconds. I appreciate that. And I'll probably be back next week. I'm sure I will. Uh I have uh I have to do a board meeting tomorrow night. Uh so yeah. For a nonprofit, I'm blah, blah, blah. It's not mine, it's somebody else's. I'm the president of the board of directors. There you go, patting myself on the back. But it's good, it has to do with veterans and equine therapy, and it's in Massachusetts, and it's uh healing for uh hands for healing equine. And uh yeah, they're gonna be doing good stuff, equine therapy up in Massachusetts. So uh I'm all in. Uh for veterans. That there's a program for veterans, that's what I'm involved with. And uh with all that said, uh yeah, go listen to the Vets Connection podcast if you're interested in veteran information and hearing veteran stories and uh stuff like that. That's my other podcast. Uh and alright, I'm done. I'm done. I will uh see Bill Fisher just came in. Yeah. Uh yeah, so I will see you uh, well, like I always say, uh doing the show for you to quote my favorite artist, Marrsi. The pleasure, the privilege is mine. Uh and uh yeah, I'll see you next week. I gotta go.